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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Marty didn't do shit.

Just like in Cleveland and Kansas City?

I am not a Marty supporter, but give credit where it is due.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The only thing Marty has ever proven is that he can win enough games in the regular season to get to the playoffs.

Once he's there, he prompty shits his drawers.

Time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.

So, you agreed with my post that you quoted. Outstanding.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

An owners love for a team usually doesn't translate into success.

Emotion becomes involved, and when that happens decisions become clouded.

Yeah, that really sucked for Jack Kent Cooke, Art & Dan Rooney, Wellington Mara & Steve Tisch, Art Model, Eddie DeBartolo, Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft.

They all hate their teams.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Just like in Cleveland and Kansas City?

I am not a Marty supporter, but give credit where it is due.

What the **** did he do in Kansas City other than win just enough games to qualify for the playoffs, then promptly shit his pants?

He's Chuck Knox.

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Ah, **** You.

Lamar Hunt was one of THE worst owners the NFL has EVER seen, if not THE worst.

15 years without a ****ing PLAYOFF APPEARANCE.

Another 16 years without a PLAYOFF WIN.

THREE PLAYOFF WINS IN 40 YEARS.

You're ****ing stupid.

Have a little ****ing respect for a ****ing innovator, a ****ing pioneer, a ****ing icon. Respect what he meant to the NFL and the city of Kansas City.

Lamar Hunt aside... your whole "Dan Snyder" thing makes you certifiably reeruned.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, no.

Are you serious?

Sadly, Snyder is going to be nothing better than Al Davis Jr....

I cant see him ever putting together anything of substance up there... Jsut because he is willing to throw money around and make changes without cause... Doesnt mean he will turn into Jerry Jones or any other solid owner...

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

Dude. You said that you want to fire Haley. That means you are the one that had unreal expectations this year.

wtf is wrong with you?

My expectations for this year: 4-5 wins, but I said that we could have a terrible record, which 4-12 certainly is, and be markedly improved, a much, much stronger club than what we had in '08.

This was my prediction this summer.

After pre-season I throttled back to 3 wins, so I think my expectations were in step.

Should I not have expected progress? Should I have expected and welcomed some of the most incompetent coaching decisions that I've ever seen from a Chiefs HC? Decisions that question his competency on pretty much every level?

I'm to believe he'll "learn" when he's shown a propensity to make asinine decisions all year?

His single worst coaching display was this last Sunday. Game 14. 14.

It's not getting better.

Mecca · 12-21-2009, 11:20 PM

Lamar Hunt meant something in the 60's in my lifetime I knew him as the owner that would rather make money than win.

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So asking a coach to not be a complete idiot is having unreal expectations?

don't jump in without reading the thread... he was talking about people having playoff expectations

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What the **** did he do in Kansas City other than win just enough games to qualify for the playoffs, then promptly shit his pants?

He's Chuck Knox.

I give him credit for picking this organization off the mat. It's pretty clear that it was Marty, and not Carl, who was responsible for the revival of the franchise.

Dude is one hell of a coach.

Now, come playoff time, it's time to look for option B; he's just not meant to win. Fumbles, fluke plays...story of Marty's life, sadly.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

Have a little ****ing respect for a ****ing innovator, a ****ing pioneer, a ****ing icon. Respect what he meant to the NFL and the city of Kansas City.

Lamar Hunt aside... your whole "Dan Snyder" thing makes you certifiably reeruned.

It makes you a certifiable ass licker.

Lamar Hunt went into the business of football because he was a smart business man. He invested $25,000 dollars and when he died, that investment was worth nearly ONE BILLION DOLLARS, yet his team sucked ****ing ass for nearly 40 years.

Go **** yourself, moron.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-21-2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

Have a little ****ing respect for a ****ing innovator, a ****ing pioneer, a ****ing icon. Respect what he meant to the NFL and the city of Kansas City.

Lamar Hunt aside... your whole "Dan Snyder" thing makes you certifiably reeruned.

Oh shit; it's ON now...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Sadly, Snyder is going to be nothing better than Al Davis Jr....

I cant see him ever putting together anything of substance up there... Jsut because he is willing to throw money around and make changes without cause... Doesnt mean he will turn into Jerry Jones or any other solid owner...

Well, Snyder FINALLY fired Vinny Cerato and replaced him with Bruce Allen. The same Bruce Allen that helped build the Raiders of the late 90's/early 00's and Super Bowl winning Bucs.

The word on the street is that Shanahan is the next coach. Whether it yields a Super Bowl remains to be seen but I can you one thing is for certain: I'd trade Pioli and Haley in a heartbeat for Shanahan & Allen.

Brock · 12-21-2009, 11:24 PM

I loved Lamar Hunt, I thought he was a great guy and all that.

But he didn't really give a shit about winning.

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

My expectations for this year: 4-5 wins, but I said that we could have a terrible record, which 4-12 certainly is, and be markedly improved, a much, much stronger club than what we had in '08.

This was my prediction this summer.

After pre-season I throttled back to 3 wins, so I think my expectations were in step.

Should I not have expected progress? Should I have expected and welcomed some of the most incompetent coaching decisions that I've ever seen from a Chiefs HC? Decisions that question his competency on pretty much every level?

I'm to believe he'll "learn" when he's shown a propensity to make asinine decisions all year?

His single worst coaching display was this last Sunday. Game 14. 14.

It's not getting better.

this still doesn't explain how the people who are backing another year for Haley had playoff expectations... jesus, explain yourself

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