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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

He will never die..... EVER!!!!!

Jesus Curry needs to talk to his Dad and have him grant Al immortality.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:47 PM

We had limited options when Haley was hired. Couldn't get the fat man from NE, by way of Clev., so we had to turn to AZ, with Miami presumably on speed dial.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-21-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

What do I win?

Castoffs from the 2009 Pinkel recruiting drive? The Ark can only hold so many!

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

The Raiders are a QB away from being extremely dangerous. God help us if Al dies and they find that QB.

Maybe we could trade them Cassel or Croyle?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-21-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Maybe we could trade them Cassel or Croyle?

Or both!

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, **** YOU.

Impatient? Hardly.

Except with stupid ****ing morons like yourself.

you're one of the biggest chicken little's on this board

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Jesus Curry needs to talk to his Dad and have him grant Al immortality.

Red Dawg · 12-21-2009, 11:51 PM

Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about.

Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

you're one of the biggest chicken little's on this board

Again, go **** yourself.

And if you're going to make claims like that, which are totally and completely untrue, you'd better be prepared to back them up, Mother****er.

**BossChief** · 12-21-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

A good owner would NEVER allow Pendergast to be hired as DC

He wasnt hired as the DC. You have to know that. Im sure you do.

He was hired and then later appointed as the DC after we couldnt get anyone else that fit the criteria. We woo'd Crennel at the time and I can remember us saying that we arent done with the staff and then a week later after nobodty else was added, CP was named DC.

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about.

Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero.

don't you be adding rational thoughts to this discussion.

don't be coming up in here with logical thinking.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He wasnt hired as the DC. You have to know that. Im sure you do.

He was hired and then later appointed as the DC after we couldnt get anyone else that fit the criteria. We woo'd Crennel at the time and I can remember us saying that we arent done with the staff and then a week later after nobodty else was added, CP was named DC.

Um, regardless of the time that passed, last time I checked, Pendergast was named Defensive Coordinator and is serving in that position.

Regardless, he should have NEVER been hired.

PERIOD.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:55 PM

Media members speculated about the laughable nature of listing all the defensive coaches, yet not identifying them by title.

Early warning signs abounded...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about.

Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero.

Um, going through a year with Pioli & Haley puts you back at zero.

Or have you not been paying attention?

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, go **** yourself.

And if you're going to make claims like that, which are totally and completely untrue, you'd better be prepared to back them up, Mother****er.

well you know what... all you have been doing is avoiding discussion by telling me to "go **** myself" so uhhhhhh GO **** YOURSELF

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3037187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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12-21-2009, 11:51 PM	#368
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1192858	Firing Haley would be a stupid move Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about. Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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