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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

SPATCH · 12-22-2009, 05:26 PM

I wonder if Dane listens to scream-o music and cuts his wrists and lets the mascara run down his teary-eyed face...

guy has the rationale of a 14 year old girl

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-22-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

I wonder if Dane listens to scream-o music and cuts his wrists and lets the mascara run down his teary-eyed face...

He has the rationale of a 14 year old girl

Go **** yourself, cockbag.

You bring absolutely nothing to this forum.

Mecca · 12-22-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

I wonder if Dane listens to scream-o music and cuts his wrists and lets the mascara run down his teary-eyed face...

guy has the rationale of a 14 year old girl

Do you listen to dashboard confessional as you try to get Pioli's nut out of your eye?

SPATCH · 12-22-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Go **** yourself, cockbag.

You bring absolutely nothing to this forum.

stickin to your guns

SPATCH · 12-22-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Do you listen to dashboard confessional as you try to get Pioli's nut out of your eye?

uhhhhh left field

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-22-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

Haley says "No comment."

Chiefs Nation says "No Paycheck".

ToxSocks · 12-22-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're a moron.

I'm done responding to your bullshit little questions.

cuz you have nothing to say but the same ol retired ass bullshit you always spew. No surprise there

RedThat · 12-22-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've said that for YEARS in this forum.

So, you have owners like the Mara's, Rooney's, Krafts, DeBartolo's and Jones' that have multiple Super Bowls.

Then you have a team that hasn't won but three playoff games in 40 years, a team that went 15 straight years without a playoff appearance and a team that has now gone 16 years straight without a playoff win.

If the Mara's, Rooney's Kraft's, et al are "good owners" what does that make the owner of a team that has been virtually winless in the post-season for 40 years?

I have never been a big fan of Lamar Hunt. I've said it before on this forum, and others disagreed with me, and thats cool and all. But yeah, I think the facts really speak for themselves as far as the Chiefs being a losing franchise, and its directly linked to ownership no question.

hopefully, Clark is different from his dad, but Im not feeling all that optmistic about him either.

**DeezNutz** · 12-22-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

Haley says "No comment."

Thanks for the avi.

orange · 12-22-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KCDC

But, you don't fire someone after but one year. It is not the Hunt way and it is not the Pioli way, I am speculating.

?

kcxiv · 04-27-2010, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I have never been a big fan of Lamar Hunt. I've said it before on this forum, and others disagreed with me, and thats cool and all. But yeah, I think the facts really speak for themselves as far as the Chiefs being a losing franchise, and its directly linked to ownership no question.

hopefully, Clark is different from his dad, but Im not feeling all that optmistic about him either.

No one is willing to give him a chance. Whats he supposed to do in 2 years running the show by himself? Chiefs fans are so used of losing, they just think everything is bad, they dont want to see if a new gm and new ownership can do anything. They arent even given a chance.

People are funny on this website that get all crazy about things and act as if they know more then the front office guys. There are so many ways to build teams and win with them, there is no one right formula. You just gotta get lucky on some picks and anything can happen. No one knows if their pick is going to turn out and make that leap to the next level. Anything can happen.

Sofa King · 04-27-2010, 07:35 AM

did you just re-up a fight from 6 months ago?

**Bugeater** · 04-27-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

did you just re-up a fight from 6 months ago?

Yes he did, and I hope you're ready to throw down because you're part of it now.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2010, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

did you just re-up a fight from 6 months ago?

Not only that, but the premise of his side of the argument is ****ed.

Clark Hunt has been running the show since before Lamar died.

That throws the "last 2 years" bit right out the window.

Hammock Parties · 12-26-2010, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

In a perfect world, Haley would be fired.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

FIRE THAT MOTHER****ER.

Fire him NOW.

Wait, I'm not clear on what you want. Say again?

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3057187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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