Chiefs Haley 12/30 presser

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-31-2009, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd Haley

“I’ll reiterate again, that as far as quarterbacks go this is still a guy who is getting close to getting two years under his belt. Every game is an opportunity for him to grow and this just happens to be a very good defense and a very difficult atmosphere. It is an opportunity but each week Matt is excited and works hard. He’s into it and is super competitive. I feel like we’ve made some progress here of late and it’s another chance for us to take another step for us as an offense and for him to take a step as our quarterback.”

Man, Haley is in full scale denial.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Man, Haley is in full scale denial.

Do you think he has any choice, and keep his job? Cassel is bought and paid for, he has to make the most out of it.

**Bane** · 12-31-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Do you think he has any choice, and keep his job? Cassel is bought and paid for, he has to make the most out of it.

Agreed.

He wont dare throw Cassel under the bus,much the same way Vermeil always made Trent's ints someone else's fault.

TheGuardian · 12-31-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Man, Haley is in full scale denial.

What is he supposed to say? SEriously. He's supposed to throw Cassel under the bus? **** no. That's what these message boards are for. Not head coaches.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-31-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

What is he supposed to say? SEriously. He's supposed to throw Cassel under the bus? **** no. That's what these message boards are for. Not head coaches.

No but it's a damn shame that they went from bringing in an "experienced guy with 16 games under his belt" to "he's only played less than two season" in the same year.

TheGuardian · 12-31-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No but it's a damn shame that they went from bringing in an "experienced guy with 16 games under his belt" to "he's only played less than two season" in the same year.

Both those are both truths. Cassel does have experience in the league, but as a starter just two seasons basically. And let's not forget that he's in a new system.

Look I'm not making excuses for the guy, his deep ball accuracy is the worst I've seen in a long time. But he's also had what looks to be an NFL record in terms of number of drops too. So while his long ball accuracy his been shit, I'm sure we have a few more wins and he's got a better QB rating and looks better if you just cut the drops IN HALF.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-31-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Both those are both truths. Cassel does have experience in the league, but as a starter just two seasons basically. And let's not forget that he's in a new system.

Look I'm not making excuses for the guy, his deep ball accuracy is the worst I've seen in a long time. But he's also had what looks to be an NFL record in terms of number of drops too. So while his long ball accuracy his been shit, I'm sure we have a few more wins and he's got a better QB rating and looks better if you just cut the drops IN HALF.

I think cutting the drops would make a difference but I don't necessarily believe that it would lead to more wins.

It's going to be difficult to win many games with a defense that consistently gives up 500 yards per outing.

kcxiv · 12-31-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Both those are both truths. Cassel does have experience in the league, but as a starter just two seasons basically. And let's not forget that he's in a new system.

Look I'm not making excuses for the guy, his deep ball accuracy is the worst I've seen in a long time. But he's also had what looks to be an NFL record in terms of number of drops too. So while his long ball accuracy his been shit, I'm sure we have a few more wins and he's got a better QB rating and looks better if you just cut the drops IN HALF.

half of them drops were caught we would have another 2 wins or so. Chambers cost us a game with just 1 drop, but i am not going to crucify the dude, he's been rock sold since we got him, but how many timely drops have we had? Alot were easy easy catches that the WR just was not focused on.

I am all for getting rid of Cassel. I dont think he's a starting qb in the NFL. see what happens this offseason. He may be fired he may not. I doubt it though. I think Pioli will give him another year.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-31-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

What is he supposed to say? SEriously. He's supposed to throw Cassel under the bus? **** no. That's what these message boards are for. Not head coaches.

"Improvement is needed in all areas of our team"

that's what I would have said as coach, when dealing with a 3-12 situation.

Just Passin' By · 12-31-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Man, Haley is in full scale denial.

Haley isn't looking for a scapegoat, which separates him from a lot of Chiefs fans.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-31-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Haley isn't looking for a scapegoat, which separates him from a lot of Chiefs fans.

It's an indictment of Pioli's and his talent evaluating abilities, though he sure loves to place accountability every else except QB.

Just Passin' By · 12-31-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It's an indictment of Pioli's and his talent evaluating abilities, though he sure loves to place accountability every else except QB.

No, it's not. Again, this is where you complainers go off the rails. You've been blaming things on Cassel that aren't Cassel's issue. Frankly, while it's been somewhat amusing to watch the absurdities fly, it's been a pathetic display on the part of those making it.

Cassel isn't the running back corps that couldn't run the ball worth a damn for much of the season. He's not the wide receiver corps dropping record numbers of passes. He's not the offensive line that couldn't hold a block for more than 2 seconds for a fair part of the season. He's not the one who got suspended for 4 games, and it's not his fault that the TE position couldn't catch a cold in a room full of rhinoviruses.

Whether you and the rest of the complainers care to admit it, those things have an enormous impact upon how successful the QB can be, in immediate play issues, in follow up play issues, and in long term developments. A dropped pass on 2nd down means a longer pass needed for 3rd down, which decreases the success rate, a failed drive then means more pressure the next time, and so on down the road.

Cassel certainly hasn't been stellar, and he's not without blame when evaluating the struggles of the team, but some of you people have been morons on the QB issue since even before the season began.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-31-2009, 06:12 PM

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No, it's not. Again, this is where you complainers go off the rails. You've been blaming things on Cassel that aren't Cassel's issue.

Poor decision making which is due to his indecisiveness, that's my biggest gripe and his greatest flaw. The guy is 27 years old, a 5 year NFL vet this shouldn't be an issue.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Poor decision making which is due to his indecisiveness, that's my biggest gripe and his greatest flaw. The guy is 27 years old, a 5 year NFL vet this shouldn't be an issue.

Yep, and the locking on to his receivers part. Just once I would like to see him hint at looking off a defender, just once.

Just Passin' By · 12-31-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Poor decision making which is due to his indecisiveness, that's my biggest gripe and his greatest flaw. The guy is 27 years old, a 5 year NFL vet this shouldn't be an issue.

JFC.... he's got insufficient time to make a full read of the field because of the O-line. He can't throw to his tight ends, because they can't catch a ****ing thing. He can't throw to his wideouts without wondering if:

a.) They'll drop the ****ing thing

b.) They'll bother to make the effort if the throw's not perfect

c.) The receivers that have spent most of the season being unable to find separation will actually give him a window to throw into

and you bitch about indecisiveness? For ****'s sake, if you'd bother to actually look at the team from a reasonable perspective instead of just looking to bitch, you'd see where the issues are, how they impact in the long and short term, and where they'd lead to fallout that can't be dealt with until the offseason.

Shit, I'm not even a Chiefs fan and I can see progress on this currently awful team, but you clowns can't see a damned thing because you're too busy pissing and moaning about every little thing you can find, and it's largely because the team took an approach you didn't like, regardless of its likely long term success or failure.

You had to know the team would be bad this season. Why the **** would you watch week after week and just turn around and bitch about every ****ing thing? What the **** good does that do anyone? Looking at the negatives is fine when you're analyzing from an unbiased position and also looking at the positives, but you clearly aren't doing that.