Chiefs Haley 12/30 presser - Page 4

**Baby Lee** · 12-30-2009, 05:00 PM

TODD HALEY: “Started our preparations today for Denver, a division opponent that’s a very good team. Hasn’t been too long ago that they took it to us pretty good. So, it’s a chance to kind of correct some of the things that went on in that game. It’s a great opportunity on the road to take another step as a team.

“Offensively, they have two backs, one that’s close to a 1,000 (yards) and who is a rookie (Knowshon Moreno) and looks like he’s going to be real good back and (Correll) Buckhalter who has over 600 (yards), so two guys who can really run the football. They’ve got a bunch of talented receivers starting with (Brandon) Marshall and (Eddie) Royal, (Brandon) Stokely. They’ve got a tight end who hurt us in the last game. They’ve got a very good offensive line that the last time we played them clearly won the line of scrimmage.

“Defensively, they’re a well-coached group that creates a bunch of problems with multiple looks, multiple fronts and not strictly a three-four (alignment). They play some even fronts, over, under, bunch of different pressures from both sides, very good corners. It’s going to take our best to compete with these guys.

“Special teams: another opportunity for us to get clicking a game in all three phases and beat a division opponent on the road.”

Q: How important is this game for Matt Cassel and his development? The last time these two teams played it was one of his worst games.

HALEY: “I’ll reiterate again, that as far as quarterbacks go this is still a guy who is getting close to getting two years under his belt. Every game is an opportunity for him to grow and this just happens to be a very good defense and a very difficult atmosphere. It is an opportunity but each week Matt is excited and works hard. He’s into it and is super competitive. I feel like we’ve made some progress here of late and it’s another chance for us to take another step for us as an offense and for him to take a step as our quarterback.”

Q: What area or player this year has made the greatest progress?

HALEY: “I think one of them is pretty obvious: Jamaal [Charles] has really made big steps. When you talk about that since November only one guy has had more rushing yards than him and that’s Chris Johnson that’s pretty good. Now, we can’t put him in Canton yet. It’s only been a handful of games. Part of being a good player in this league is doing it consistently over a period of time. That’s just where Jamaal is at.

“That said, there are a bunch of guys without going into detail that I feel like have made big strides. But if you pin me down I’d say Jamaal is the more obvious.”

Q: What is the one phase that hasn’t progressed the way you had hoped it would?

HALEY: “I think there’s been progress in all areas. But the next step for us as a team – and a team never stays the same adding and subtracting players here before too long – is we’ve got to start playing complete games in all three phases before too long. When we do that we’ll be in more games and the more games we’re in the more we’ll win because we’re going to continue to work on being a smart team and one that makes good decisions. That would be my main point: getting all three phases working together.”

Q: Has there been one game this year that all three phases worked together?

HALEY: “I think the Steelers game. I think we played real well together as a team. It wasn’t perfect and there were things we could have done better or more efficiently. I would say that in that game we played at a pretty high level in all areas.”

Q: How has your defensive line progressed or has it not progressed as much as you would have liked?

HALEY: “It has been up and down and that’s what we have to eliminate. We need to get a group there that can hang in there week-in and week-out and when they’re a little off then have some guys that make up for them. We’ve had some games where they’ve really played solid, even last game [vs. Cincinnati] where the front seven did a really good job throughout the game. They had only two or three plays they’d like to have back. The smaller that number gets the better. That’s really where we’re at as a whole.”

Q: Should it be further along than it is?

HALEY: “There again we need to be further along in general. That’s what we’re working at. We have another game to take a step and see where we’re at and then we’re quickly going to be into the off-season and working at it again and trying to do all the things you need to do to be a good team.

“Like I said, the team won’t stay the same. We’ll have some additions and subtractions and we just have to keep adding to the competition. All the same things we said a year ago are really going to have to be said. To be further along at this point would be the idea.”

Q: Would you see adding to the defensive line as a next step?

HALEY: “No different for all spots. If we’ve got a chance to improve or improve competition we’re going to do it. I know Scott [Pioli] is going to do it. I think that’s when you’re a good team, when nobody feels satisfied or comfortable and right now we’re 15 games through that process. I’d like to be sitting here with more wins because I definitely think there are some games there – seven games [that were lost] of seven points or less – that could have been… They’re not 20 plays, they’re two or three plays in each phase that if we do execute something a little cleaner we may get wins. But we’re still not happy. We wouldn’t be happy sitting here with six wins. I’d feel the same exact way that I feel right now because the idea of that is to have the chance to play in the Super Bowl and right now we don’t.”

Q: Have you figured out why the inability to score in the first quarter?

HALEY: “I think this has been a difficult task again, and I’m not making excuses for these guys because they don’t want any excuses made for them. But we made major changes; we’ve done a lot of things. What I think is important now is we’re making progress. Even these last few games we’ve started more positive than we did earlier. Is it good enough? No, clearly not. But I don’t have any regrets about the things we’ve done. I think it’s all happened for a reason. As I said, it’s going to get better and we’re going to be a good team. But you’re got to take your lumps sometimes. The [teams] that haven’t taken their lumps are few and far between that I know of. The teams that have started with everything’s golden and everybody’s happy I don’t know when you’re starting from ground zero. I know there have been growing pains for a lot of different teams and a lot of different staffs, a lot of organizations in general. We’re in that process right now. They’re going to be character builders for us and be what makes us a great team.”

Q: One of your goals was to establish a new mindset or attitude for this organization. Do you feel that’s been done?

HALEY: “Again, it comes down to wins and losses. I know it’s gets old when you say we’re making progress, but I’m the one out there and I’m the one that sees them. We just lined up today in the 16th week of the season and ran gassers and they’re running hard and they practiced hard today, they’re communicating, they’re here on time regardless of the weather conditions and working together to do the things necessary to be a good team. That’s progress from the inside.”

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

those statements are pretty ironic, considering you have an avatar dedicated to putting him in a negative light.

I'm sure you're a big fan of your wife..you cut her down everyday when she doesn't meet your expectations?

btw, LJ didn't get cut because of twitter. LJ got cut because he was a lockerroom cancer who was given numerous chances and inevitably exposed his true colors.

My avatar represents nothing more than Haley's own actions. And it's meant to be funny. If Haley didn't want to be associated with such actions, he could have prevented it.

The analogy is ridiculous, comparing a personal relationship to a business.

And your language? I'm not cutting anyone down. It's not personal. I could care less if anyone within the organization is a "good guy." My criticisms of the regime are based on viable, provable evidence.

How did LJ "inevitably expose his true colors"? Was there much doubt about this before? Twitter just made it impossible to carry on the joke of "the right 53." LJ cut himself.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Progress has been obvious to anyone who's bothered to look.

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.

Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158

Progress my ass.

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.

Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158

Progress my ass.

It's a process.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's a process.

And FWIW, they played an easier schedule this year compared to last year.

.535 > .520

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And FWIW, they played an easier schedule this year compared to last year.

.535 > .520

The statistics are damning and paint a very depressing picture.

Amazing that finding the positives is arduous work.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The statistics are damning and paint a very depressing picture.

Amazing that find the positives is arduous work.

I heard Haley do a Herm quote during the last press conference. How many games were lost by 7 points or less?

I hate hearing that from either one of them, but I clearly feel this team is headed in a better direction than it was a year ago.

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I heard Haley do a Herm quote during the last press conference. How many games were lost by 7 points or less?

I hate hearing that from either one of them, but I clearly feel this team is headed in a better direction than it was a year ago.

And this is the crux of the disagreement.

For the most part, the underlined has to be based on little more than hope because the evidence simply isn't there.

And I haven't seen nearly enough for a gut feeling to sway the far more imposing evidence to the contrary.

Just Passin' By · 12-31-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.

Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158

Progress my ass.

Sure, I'll be happy to.

Better play from the LT, and the RT
Better running game
Better work at wideout when they are all together
Better play from the DEs
Better play from some of the linebackers

That's progress. You people who think that having a car with 53 parts, 45+ of which are broken, and upgrading 5-10 of those broken parts while trying to tread water with the rest is going to suddenly make the car run first in NASCAR races are just being ridiculous. I noted early on that the progress might not show up in wins:

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Evaluating this team based upon wins and losses, or your perception of 'suck' is exactly what you don't do with a team this bad. This team will need to be evaluated based upon progress towards EVENTUAL consistently competitive teams, or the lack thereof....

...Pioli walked into a situation with a team that had only one core talent under the age of 30, and that player has only had one season. This team had a 30+ tight end and a 30- left tackle, and that's it. No other player on this team had cemented himself as the kind of high end talent that you want on Super Bowl contenders, especially at the core positions (middle of the field on defense, QB, LT, RB, #1 WR on offense). Even if you were to stretch and toss Bowe in that group (and I could easily be convinced to add him to the mix if he would just show improvement on his drop issue), that's still only two on the entire team.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ns#post5808969

The problem with you, and so many of the other complainers, is that you don't think about the overall scope of the problem, and you focus your bitching on things that are contingent upon improvements elsewhere. There was no way that the team was going to be able to fix every problem in 1 or 2 seasons, yet the bitching has been almost non-stop.

keg in kc · 12-31-2009, 05:27 PM

Games lost by 7 points or less is a valid thing to talk about. It falls right in line with the message about focus and limiting mistakes that Haley's pushed all year. Dropped passes, picks, big plays allowed by the d - cut down one or two mistakes in every game and it could have been a different season, even with a roster as bad as this one. Hopefully that message gets across eventually.

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Games lost by 7 points or less is a valid thing to talk about. It falls right in line with the message about focus and limiting mistakes that Haley's pushed all year. Dropped passes, picks, big plays allowed by the d - cut down one or two mistakes in every game and it could have been a different season, even with a roster as bad as this one. Hopefully that message gets across eventually.

As valid as it was last year, when we lost 7 games by 7 points or less?

And JPB, that list, starting with the improved play by Albert, which has to be a joke, is...well...

kcxiv · 12-31-2009, 05:37 PM

lol, them stats dont mean anything and i will tell you why. We let go alot of the people they didnt want in this organization. They tore down what was originally being built here and started from 0. Herm was already in the process. I actually think he was in year 2 cause he knew in year 2 this team was going to be complete ass.

They went with what Herm's vision was and COMPLETELY scrapped it and went back to the drawing board. With Lesser talent then last year we still won more games. We are probably a little worse then last year as a whole, but like i said, they scrapped whatever it was he was Herm was trying to do.

**Easy 6** · 12-31-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We've learned something positive about two players this year. One was the placekicker, and the other sat the bench or was inactive until LJ ran his mouth.

I would throw in Hali & Dorsey with that, neither is dominant as yet but both have shown a level of progress through the year at brand new positions.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-31-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Haley isn't looking for a scapegoat, which separates him from a lot of Chiefs fans.

It's an indictment of Pioli's and his talent evaluating abilities, though he sure loves to place accountability every else except QB.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-31-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

What is he supposed to say? SEriously. He's supposed to throw Cassel under the bus? **** no. That's what these message boards are for. Not head coaches.

"Improvement is needed in all areas of our team"

that's what I would have said as coach, when dealing with a 3-12 situation.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And this is the crux of the disagreement.

For the most part, the underlined has to be based on little more than hope because the evidence simply isn't there.

And I haven't seen nearly enough for a gut feeling to sway the far more imposing evidence to the contrary.

Well, it is not an easy slam dunk, for sure.

But from memory, Herm took the team from 2nd in the NFL on offense to 16 his first year, then made it all the way to 32nd before getting fired.

His defense actually got worse, and nobody expected that.

If you want facts on one guy, you have to look at them the same way on the other guy.

Lets see what happens now with a full off season.

12-30-2009, 05:00 PM
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $8028275	Haley 12/30 presser TODD HALEY: “Started our preparations today for Denver, a division opponent that’s a very good team. Hasn’t been too long ago that they took it to us pretty good. So, it’s a chance to kind of correct some of the things that went on in that game. It’s a great opportunity on the road to take another step as a team. “Offensively, they have two backs, one that’s close to a 1,000 (yards) and who is a rookie (Knowshon Moreno) and looks like he’s going to be real good back and (Correll) Buckhalter who has over 600 (yards), so two guys who can really run the football. They’ve got a bunch of talented receivers starting with (Brandon) Marshall and (Eddie) Royal, (Brandon) Stokely. They’ve got a tight end who hurt us in the last game. They’ve got a very good offensive line that the last time we played them clearly won the line of scrimmage. “Defensively, they’re a well-coached group that creates a bunch of problems with multiple looks, multiple fronts and not strictly a three-four (alignment). They play some even fronts, over, under, bunch of different pressures from both sides, very good corners. It’s going to take our best to compete with these guys. “Special teams: another opportunity for us to get clicking a game in all three phases and beat a division opponent on the road.” Q: How important is this game for Matt Cassel and his development? The last time these two teams played it was one of his worst games. HALEY: “I’ll reiterate again, that as far as quarterbacks go this is still a guy who is getting close to getting two years under his belt. Every game is an opportunity for him to grow and this just happens to be a very good defense and a very difficult atmosphere. It is an opportunity but each week Matt is excited and works hard. He’s into it and is super competitive. I feel like we’ve made some progress here of late and it’s another chance for us to take another step for us as an offense and for him to take a step as our quarterback.” Q: What area or player this year has made the greatest progress? HALEY: “I think one of them is pretty obvious: Jamaal [Charles] has really made big steps. When you talk about that since November only one guy has had more rushing yards than him and that’s Chris Johnson that’s pretty good. Now, we can’t put him in Canton yet. It’s only been a handful of games. Part of being a good player in this league is doing it consistently over a period of time. That’s just where Jamaal is at. “That said, there are a bunch of guys without going into detail that I feel like have made big strides. But if you pin me down I’d say Jamaal is the more obvious.” Q: What is the one phase that hasn’t progressed the way you had hoped it would? HALEY: “I think there’s been progress in all areas. But the next step for us as a team – and a team never stays the same adding and subtracting players here before too long – is we’ve got to start playing complete games in all three phases before too long. When we do that we’ll be in more games and the more games we’re in the more we’ll win because we’re going to continue to work on being a smart team and one that makes good decisions. That would be my main point: getting all three phases working together.” Q: Has there been one game this year that all three phases worked together? HALEY: “I think the Steelers game. I think we played real well together as a team. It wasn’t perfect and there were things we could have done better or more efficiently. I would say that in that game we played at a pretty high level in all areas.” Q: How has your defensive line progressed or has it not progressed as much as you would have liked? HALEY: “It has been up and down and that’s what we have to eliminate. We need to get a group there that can hang in there week-in and week-out and when they’re a little off then have some guys that make up for them. We’ve had some games where they’ve really played solid, even last game [vs. Cincinnati] where the front seven did a really good job throughout the game. They had only two or three plays they’d like to have back. The smaller that number gets the better. That’s really where we’re at as a whole.” Q: Should it be further along than it is? HALEY: “There again we need to be further along in general. That’s what we’re working at. We have another game to take a step and see where we’re at and then we’re quickly going to be into the off-season and working at it again and trying to do all the things you need to do to be a good team. “Like I said, the team won’t stay the same. We’ll have some additions and subtractions and we just have to keep adding to the competition. All the same things we said a year ago are really going to have to be said. To be further along at this point would be the idea.” Q: Would you see adding to the defensive line as a next step? HALEY: “No different for all spots. If we’ve got a chance to improve or improve competition we’re going to do it. I know Scott [Pioli] is going to do it. I think that’s when you’re a good team, when nobody feels satisfied or comfortable and right now we’re 15 games through that process. I’d like to be sitting here with more wins because I definitely think there are some games there – seven games [that were lost] of seven points or less – that could have been… They’re not 20 plays, they’re two or three plays in each phase that if we do execute something a little cleaner we may get wins. But we’re still not happy. We wouldn’t be happy sitting here with six wins. I’d feel the same exact way that I feel right now because the idea of that is to have the chance to play in the Super Bowl and right now we don’t.” Q: Have you figured out why the inability to score in the first quarter? HALEY: “I think this has been a difficult task again, and I’m not making excuses for these guys because they don’t want any excuses made for them. But we made major changes; we’ve done a lot of things. What I think is important now is we’re making progress. Even these last few games we’ve started more positive than we did earlier. Is it good enough? No, clearly not. But I don’t have any regrets about the things we’ve done. I think it’s all happened for a reason. As I said, it’s going to get better and we’re going to be a good team. But you’re got to take your lumps sometimes. The [teams] that haven’t taken their lumps are few and far between that I know of. The teams that have started with everything’s golden and everybody’s happy I don’t know when you’re starting from ground zero. I know there have been growing pains for a lot of different teams and a lot of different staffs, a lot of organizations in general. We’re in that process right now. They’re going to be character builders for us and be what makes us a great team.” Q: One of your goals was to establish a new mindset or attitude for this organization. Do you feel that’s been done? HALEY: “Again, it comes down to wins and losses. I know it’s gets old when you say we’re making progress, but I’m the one out there and I’m the one that sees them. We just lined up today in the 16th week of the season and ran gassers and they’re running hard and they practiced hard today, they’re communicating, they’re here on time regardless of the weather conditions and working together to do the things necessary to be a good team. That’s progress from the inside.”
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12-31-2009, 05:27 PM	#54
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Games lost by 7 points or less is a valid thing to talk about. It falls right in line with the message about focus and limiting mistakes that Haley's pushed all year. Dropped passes, picks, big plays allowed by the d - cut down one or two mistakes in every game and it could have been a different season, even with a roster as bad as this one. Hopefully that message gets across eventually.
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12-31-2009, 05:37 PM	#56
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	lol, them stats dont mean anything and i will tell you why. We let go alot of the people they didnt want in this organization. They tore down what was originally being built here and started from 0. Herm was already in the process. I actually think he was in year 2 cause he knew in year 2 this team was going to be complete ass. They went with what Herm's vision was and COMPLETELY scrapped it and went back to the drawing board. With Lesser talent then last year we still won more games. We are probably a little worse then last year as a whole, but like i said, they scrapped whatever it was he was Herm was trying to do.
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