NFL Draft We are not taking a QB in the first round - Page 11

TheGuardian · 01-01-2010, 10:32 AM

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

Mr. Laz · 01-01-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willy

And possibly headed to the post-season.

-Sweet Dick.

ROR again?

Pioli Zombie · 01-01-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willy

Now Pittsburgh talkin' bout other teams "layin' down" to keep the Steelers out of the play offs.

Cheese done slid off that boys cracker.

dont know who to root for. I hate the Jets,Ravens,Broncos,and Steelers. And the Texans are playing the Patriots. Tomorrow is reminiscent of when the Chiefs needed like 5 things to go their way in 2006. And they did. Denver choking again.

Mecca · 01-01-2010, 04:53 PM

Look Sanchez is never going to play for the Chiefs I moved on from that long ago, I suggest everyone else do the same.

Just Passin' By · 01-01-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Tell me Jackson and Magee were great picks, go for it.

Jackson and Magee are rookie defensive linemen playing positions they didn't play in college. I'm not stupid enough to evaluate them as "great picks" or "busts" at this point.

You should though, and I'm stunned that so many NFL teams have continued to pass you by when searching for general managers.

Just Passin' By · 01-01-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Look Sanchez is never going to play for the Chiefs I moved on from that long ago, I suggest everyone else do the same.

Then stop letting the fact that they didn't take Sanchez color every ****ing post you make. There's not a quarterback that has ever played the game who would have looked awesome playing for the Chiefs this year.

Mecca · 01-01-2010, 04:59 PM

Yea because only someone who liked Mark Sanchez would think Cassel has been an abomination this year.

**BossChief** · 01-01-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Moves are independent of each other, I like Chris Chambers as a player that doesn't mean that one wipes away the other ones.

I'm not going to be remotely patient with a QB who's nearing 28 years old, he's not a rookie. Pioli's first moves from head coach to QB to top 3 pick all look like stinkers to this point.

The reason they get railed upon is numerous people called them stinkers when they occurred so it's not shocking for them to look even more stinky today.

iirc, you didnt want Chambers and slammed Pioli for claiming him for that much $$$

I could be wrong.

**DeezNutz** · 01-01-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And if you're arguing that the criticism of Cassel is generally too black and white, then we have to take the same type of critical eye to the problems with the WRs this year. Maybe, just maybe, having a sub-par QB is a factor.

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

There will be passes that aren't called drops when they should be, too. It's the nature of the statistic. You can keep ignoring reality and looking for the rare exceptions in order to bitch about Cassel, or you can start making honest evaluations. That's your choice.

The reality is that Cassel has had to deal with a wide receiver carousel of players who've had issues with drops before playing with Cassel. Some of the receivers weren't even on the team to start the year. Receivers have had to play different roles because of things like Bowe getting a 4 game suspension. The team's best receiver from last year isn't even on the team this year, and the team's second best receiver from last year is dealing with different defensive scheming as a result, and it's clearly had an impact upon his game. Whether you care to admit it or not, this stuff has an impact upon even the best quarterbacks.

And this isn't even addressing the impact of a poor running game and poor offensive line work.

Ignoring reality? Just laughable considering that I'm arguing only that the problem is a bit more complex than, "The WRs suck."

Your defense of Cassel and all things ex-Patriot is somewhat thin.

Incidentally, who is responsible for the " receiver carousel", or the "poor running game" (that has been FAR from poor once the best player has been put on the field) or the "poor offensive line work"?

Certainly these issues can't be tied to the highest paid GM in the league? And don't fall back on the bullshit of "what could he do in a year?" or "did you expect more wins?"

Let's be intellectually honest.

Pioli may or may not ultimately do great things in KC, but his first year on the job has been nothing short of a disaster. And this really isn't even an arguable point.

Rigodan · 01-01-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Then stop letting the fact that they didn't take Sanchez color every ****ing post you make.

Look who's talking, you need to stop letting the fact the your man is making the decisions color your opinion of those decisions.

You also need to stop letting the fact that Mecca didn't get his guy color the validity of Mecca's analysis. Saying Cassel sucks and TJ wasn't worth a top 3 pick are easily defensible. We've all moved on from Sanchez, you need to as well.

Reerun_KC · 01-01-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz;6396864
Pioli may or may not ultimately do great things in KC,[B

but his first year on the job has been nothing short of a disaster. And this really isn't even an arguable point[/B].

According to Whom?

What has Clark came out and said, basically his is the only opinion that matters anyway... Pioli has to answer to him, not Chiefsplanet.

Mecca · 01-01-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

iirc, you didnt want Chambers and slammed Pioli for claiming him for that much $$$

I could be wrong.

I didn't say that, I said I doubt Chambers wanted to play here when teams like Baltimore would have been interested.

But really I enjoy how JPB will defend all things Patriot even if they are the shakiest things imaginable.

This first year for Pioli is epic fail.

Mecca · 01-01-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

According to Whom?

What has Clark came out and said, basically his is the only opinion that matters anyway... Pioli has to answer to him, not Chiefsplanet.

Can anyone really with a straight face say he's done a good job?

And hey if you're gonna go to that last thing then why have a forum since we don't matter right?

Brock · 01-01-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

According to Whom?

What has Clark came out and said, basically his is the only opinion that matters anyway... Pioli has to answer to him, not Chiefsplanet.

According to the won loss record and every meaningful statistic in the book. This team would have been no worse off if they had kept Herm Edwards.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

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Chambers amount of drops had already been documented by PFT before he was even released I believe. Either way, Chambers is very well known for making spectacular catches and dropping lots of easy passes.

Yet he wasn't among the leaders in drops. Look it up. The list for 2008 quits at six - so he had fewer than that.

Just Passin' By · 01-01-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

Look who's talking, you need to stop letting the fact the your man is making the decisions color your opinion of those decisions.

You also need to stop letting the fact that Mecca didn't get his guy color the validity of Mecca's analysis. Saying Cassel sucks and TJ wasn't worth a top 3 pick are easily defensible. We've all moved on from Sanchez, you need to as well.

Pioli's not "my man". He was the GM of my favorite team and I've been following him with interest because I'm curious to see how he'll fare now that he's on his own. I keep tabs on McDaniels and ex-players as well.

Also, Mecca has let the Sanchez thing color his analysis. Only the willfully blind can't see that.

01-01-2010, 10:32 AM
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6305299	We are not taking a QB in the first round Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn. Just keep reading the title of this thread until it **ing sinks in. And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy. I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth. "He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are **ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it. Thank you and have a nice new years day.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-612950	Look Sanchez is never going to play for the Chiefs I moved on from that long ago, I suggest everyone else do the same.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-612950	Yea because only someone who liked Mark Sanchez would think Cassel has been an abomination this year.
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