Chiefs Getting The Band Back Together

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.

**DeezNutz** · 01-06-2010, 07:12 PM

When the Romeo hire is made official, we need a poll to gauge the expectations for next season.

We will have all of Pioli's guys, and he will have had over one full year to evaluate and another year with a top 5 draft position.

So what's the expectation level? And what will the excuses be?

Mile High Mania · 01-06-2010, 07:12 PM

Pioli to KC fans...

Mr_Tomahawk · 01-06-2010, 07:13 PM

If he get's both chubbies on board...anything less than .500 is a failure...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-06-2010, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Pioli to KC fans...

Sure-Oz · 01-06-2010, 07:17 PM

Worst case scenario, we have DL depth now with Weiss and if Crennel joins as well!

Pioli Zombie · 01-06-2010, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

When the Romeo hire is made official, we need a poll to gauge the expectations for next season.

We will have all of Pioli's guys, and he will have had over one full year to evaluate and another year with a top 5 draft position.

So what's the expectation level? And what will the excuses be?

the same as any 2nd year rebuilding regime should be. 8-8.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-06-2010, 07:17 PM

Holmgren is going to do this in Cleveland too. I just heard on NFL Network that Mornhinweg is a possibility as HC.

Sorry Browns fans...

DaWolf · 01-06-2010, 07:30 PM

Fair enough. Then again, when Belichick got the New England job, he hired his same buddies from his days with the Giants, Cleveland, and the Jets, rather than going and hiring fresh guys he hadn't worked with, and won himself three rings.

I think hiring guys just for the sake of familiarity can lead to issues. If these are Pioli's hires and not Haley's, we're going to have issues, just like we did when Carl convinced DV to hire Dumbther. But if these guys are the best guys to implement the system you want in place and coach the guys you are going to give them, then it can work.

At the end of the day, regardless of who we hire, we need to acquire talent. The players are the ones who win the Bowls. Just ask Shanarat what he was able to win after Elway and TD...

**Bane** · 01-06-2010, 07:31 PM

I think we all know which one Haley is.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-06-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

At the end of the day, regardless of who we hire, we need to acquire talent. The players are the ones who win the Bowls.

Then you might want to look at NE's organizational philosophy before signing off.

Titty Meat · 01-06-2010, 08:02 PM

Doug Gotlieb is a douche who also said Nebraska football would never be good again. **** him.

Titty Meat · 01-06-2010, 08:04 PM

And Crennel & Weis are upgrades so I don't see how fans can be unhappy about getting better?

FloridaMan88 · 01-06-2010, 08:10 PM

Memo to Fat Scott... TALENT wins, not coaches.

Look at the 4 teams with byes in the playoffs this year... coached by the likes of Norv Turner, Jim Caldwell, Sean Payton and Brad Childress.

None of those guys are going to conjur up images of Vince Lombardi.

All those teams are the top teams in their respective conferences primarily because of the talent they possess on the field... and not as much because of the coaching staff on the sideline.

wild1 · 01-06-2010, 08:10 PM

What is the point here? That once you are successful in the NFL, you can never be again?

01-06-2010, 07:08 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Getting The Band Back Together Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree". It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out. Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure. Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game. Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over. Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg. Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Fair enough. Then again, when Belichick got the New England job, he hired his same buddies from his days with the Giants, Cleveland, and the Jets, rather than going and hiring fresh guys he hadn't worked with, and won himself three rings. I think hiring guys just for the sake of familiarity can lead to issues. If these are Pioli's hires and not Haley's, we're going to have issues, just like we did when Carl convinced DV to hire Dumbther. But if these guys are the best guys to implement the system you want in place and coach the guys you are going to give them, then it can work. At the end of the day, regardless of who we hire, we need to acquire talent. The players are the ones who win the Bowls. Just ask Shanarat what he was able to win after Elway and TD...
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