Chiefs Getting The Band Back Together - Page 4

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.

**AustinChief** · 01-07-2010, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I mentioned one earlier today.

Reggie Herring

Nice, Dat's boss... yeah I'd be more than happy with that hiring as well.

**AustinChief** · 01-07-2010, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I mentioned one earlier today.

Reggie Herring

Hell, bring Herring and Dat over at the same time... Herring as DC .. Dat as Linebackers coach. Or would you keep Gibbs?

tk13 · 01-07-2010, 01:11 AM

I really don't know what to think, has anything like this ever even been done before? I'm not sure any of those are great comparisons. You could just as easily flip those particular comparisons... Dungy took his act to Indy and won. Gruden took his act to Tampa and won. Sure those were some differences... but it's not like Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren had the exact same mix either. Heck, the biggest comparison of all is Belichick took his act to New England and created the dynasty of our generation. Parcells didn't win it all but he took his band of merry men and made contenders out of New England and New York when they were complete dog feces.

This is a fairly unique situation, and I'm not confident there's any precedent to sit there and look at and say "This is what's going to happen." It's still up to Pioli and Haley to make good decisions.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-07-2010, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I really don't know what to think, has anything like this ever even been done before? I'm not sure any of those are great comparisons. You could just as easily flip those particular comparisons... Dungy took his act to Indy and won. Gruden took his act to Tampa and won. Sure those were some differences... but it's not like Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren had the exact same mix either. Heck, the biggest comparison of all is Belichick took his act to New England and created the dynasty of our generation. Parcells didn't win it all but he took his band of merry men and made contenders out of New England and New York when they were complete dog feces.

This is a fairly unique situation, and I'm not confident there's any precedent to sit there and look at and say "This is what's going to happen." It's still up to Pioli and Haley to make good decisions.

Gruden left behind a shitload of people in Oakland. Dungy cycled through his coaches several times before hitting the right mix in Indy.

Of course here's the point that people are missing:

We've basically put the roadies to the Beatles in Arrowhead, and are expecting Paul and John to produce the White Album in the next decade.

Well, unfortunately Paul and John are still in Boston.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-07-2010, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Hell, bring Herring and Dat over at the same time... Herring as DC .. Dat as Linebackers coach. Or would you keep Gibbs?

I love Dat Nguyen as LB coach...even if he is VC.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 02:02 AM

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I love Dat Nguyen as LB coach...even if he is VC.

Lets hire Joe Vitt

Hammock Parties · 01-07-2010, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I love Dat Nguyen as LB coach...even if he is VC.

We need all the sad ****s on our defense to take a death march.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 02:05 AM

Where was Wipe on this Claythan?

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Gruden left behind a shitload of people in Oakland. Dungy cycled through his coaches several times before hitting the right mix in Indy.

Of course here's the point that people are missing:

We've basically put the roadies to the Beatles in Arrowhead, and are expecting Paul and John to produce the White Album in the next decade.

Well, unfortunately Paul and John are still in Boston.

Paul and John were not the Beatles. George and Ringo were there to. It takes a whole team. And besides, it could be like The Yardbirds, where one group has Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck AND Jimmy Page... and Jimmy goes and forms his own band as a lead guitarist (but not lead vocalist like Eric).

LOL this is funny.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 02:11 AM

The problem with these guys is they already got their own chances to succeed and failed..so now they're coming here.

I will say this is a make it or break it type of move because with all the failures of the Pats assistants putting a bunch of them on the same staff with a GM from there...if this fails people are going to really start to crap on the NE guys.

Hammock Parties · 01-07-2010, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Where was Wipe on this Claythan?

Yesterday at 9 AM it was on our board. That good enough for you?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-07-2010, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig

Paul and John were not the Beatles. George and Ringo were there to. It takes a whole team. And besides, it could be like The Yardbirds, where one group has Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck AND Jimmy Page... and Jimmy goes and forms his own band as a lead guitarist (but not lead vocalist like Eric).

LOL this is funny.

kill yourself.

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The problem with these guys is they already got their own chances to succeed and failed..so now they're coming here.

I will say this is a make it or break it type of move because with all the failures of the Pats assistants putting a bunch of them on the same staff with a GM from there...if this fails people are going to really start to crap on the NE guys.

Its all about the classic question, "What makes New England GREAT instead of just good?" Its funny how a LOT of the questions on here are rehashes of the same 4 or 5 core issues. Its a "philosophy of sports," if you will.

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

kill yourself.

I guess you don't like my analogy as much as yours?

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 02:15 AM

If you assemble a GM and a coaching staff comprised heavily of NE guys and it fails, Bill Belichick will then get even more credit as being the only coach that matters there.

01-06-2010, 07:08 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Getting The Band Back Together Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree". It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out. Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure. Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game. Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over. Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg. Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1937500	I really don't know what to think, has anything like this ever even been done before? I'm not sure any of those are great comparisons. You could just as easily flip those particular comparisons... Dungy took his act to Indy and won. Gruden took his act to Tampa and won. Sure those were some differences... but it's not like Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren had the exact same mix either. Heck, the biggest comparison of all is Belichick took his act to New England and created the dynasty of our generation. Parcells didn't win it all but he took his band of merry men and made contenders out of New England and New York when they were complete dog feces. This is a fairly unique situation, and I'm not confident there's any precedent to sit there and look at and say "This is what's going to happen." It's still up to Pioli and Haley to make good decisions.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	The problem with these guys is they already got their own chances to succeed and failed..so now they're coming here. I will say this is a make it or break it type of move because with all the failures of the Pats assistants putting a bunch of them on the same staff with a GM from there...if this fails people are going to really start to crap on the NE guys.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	If you assemble a GM and a coaching staff comprised heavily of NE guys and it fails, Bill Belichick will then get even more credit as being the only coach that matters there.
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