Chiefs Getting The Band Back Together - Page 8

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.

Hammock Parties · 01-07-2010, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If he cares so much why is he never at games?

He was at the Denver game this year. Last year he was at the game against Miami when it was about 2 degrees. I know he goes to more games.

Saying he's never at games is a bunch of BS.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 02:59 AM

So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap...

Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-07-2010, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

It's more than just Pioli. It's all the extra money they poured into the stadium, signing off on trading a known commodity like Tony Gonzalez (if all he cared about was money trading Gonzalez makes no sense), the point I already made about Cassel....Hunt is at the games all the time, even when it's cold as ****. For crissakes, he was unpacking boxes at some charity event earlier this year.

I think Clark Hunt gives a very large shit.

HE'S THE ****ING OWNER. He should be at every game, preseason, minicamps, OTAs, training camp.

Who gives a **** if he throws on a peacoat and flies up to KC when it's cold. How is that commitment?

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig

NE has a repeatable strategy. Just because they got Brady in the 6th round doesn't make it any more or less repeatable. There are TONS of teams in this league using Pittsburgh's strategy when it comes to player scouting and drafting. But just because you try doesn't mean you can.

This is why I don't see the problem with Weis. I think Pittsburgh would go after Weis if they had the position to fill this year. Its not like they think they're so special they don't have to recognize talent from other places.

I got nothing against Charlie Weis, it's not that move by itself, it's all of them together.

Hammock Parties · 01-07-2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap...

Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?

I know they went after Haynesworth, so they wanted to spend money. Just not as much as the Redskins...and who can blame them for that?

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Skipping games to go to MLS games is a good start. He also spends almost all his time in Dallas, and is on hand for probably fewer than 10 Chiefs-related functions a year.

To be fair the Chiefs had 1 win and Columbus was in the championship game. I don't know if all owners live in the same town where they own the team? And just about every Chiefs game I've been to I saw Clark or Lamar.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 03:00 AM

Well I do think regardless of how tarded they may be at times, Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones care far more about winning than our owner does.

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I think Clark Hunt gives a very large shit.

Its cause he doesn't have a ring like his daddy did. And he wants one.

Kinda like a Master's Jacket, you carry that shit around with you forever. Even if you only win one once, you wear it when it happened 40 years ago.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-07-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

It's more than just Pioli. It's all the extra money they poured into the stadium, signing off on trading a known commodity like Tony Gonzalez (if all he cared about was money trading Gonzalez makes no sense), the point I already made about Cassel....Hunt is at the games all the time, even when it's cold as ****. For crissakes, he was unpacking boxes at some charity event earlier this year.

I think Clark Hunt gives a very large shit.

Putting that money into the stadium was an investment move. It had nothing to do with passion.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

To be fair the Chiefs had 1 win and Columbus was in the championship game. I don't know if all owners live in the same town where they own the team? And just about every Chiefs game I've been to I saw Clark or Lamar.

Sometimes you should accept if you own an NFL team you should be at every game, 1% of the American population cares about soccer.

Hammock Parties · 01-07-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

HE'S THE ****ING OWNER. He should be at every game, preseason, minicamps, OTAs, training camp.

He is a large presence at training camp.

You do realize he has other responsibilities than just Chiefs football...and technically he's the Chairman of the Board, he's not the owner.

If he didn't give a shit he wouldn't come to camp at all.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap...

Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?

Didn't they sign like 20 guys this offseason? You don't spend big money on players year 1 of building a team.

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well I do think regardless of how tarded they may be at times, Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones care far more about winning than our owner does.

Cause they're more outspoken? I think Clark wants to win, and he knows the best way he can do that is to step back, shut up, hire the best guy (he thinks is best) for the job, and support him.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well I do think regardless of how tarded they may be at times, Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones care far more about winning than our owner does.

You follow baseball right? David Glass is a cheap owner.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 03:03 AM

Signing guys to minimum contracts is not being a player in FA.

This team was devoid of talent with huge cap space with an uncapped year looming and spent no money, explain how that is well thought out.

01-06-2010, 07:08 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Getting The Band Back Together Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree". It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out. Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure. Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game. Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over. Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg. Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.
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01-07-2010, 02:59 AM	#107
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap... Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?
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01-07-2010, 03:00 AM	#112
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	Well I do think regardless of how tarded they may be at times, Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones care far more about winning than our owner does.
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01-07-2010, 03:03 AM	#120
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	Signing guys to minimum contracts is not being a player in FA. This team was devoid of talent with huge cap space with an uncapped year looming and spent no money, explain how that is well thought out.
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