Chiefs Getting The Band Back Together - Page 9

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig

Cause they're more outspoken? I think Clark wants to win, and he knows the best way he can do that is to step back, shut up, hire the best guy (he thinks is best) for the job, and support him.

No not that part...I think Snyder and Jones will spend for a player they think will put them over the top, I don't see that with our team.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Signing guys to minimum contracts is not being a player in FA.

This team was devoid of talent with huge cap space with an uncapped year looming and spent no money, explain how that is well thought out.

See what Pioli does this offseason before you can judge that.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 03:05 AM

Well if we go to uncapped year he won't be doing anything because there aren't going to be any FA's.

See the problem?

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I got nothing against Charlie Weis, it's not that move by itself, it's all of them together.

Why not? That's a great idea, cause there's already chemistry! You don't have to take a year to have everyone acclimate to each other. Its like, "You two have already met? Good, now lets start winning!"

You want to start winning sooner than later? Try using a coaching crew that already knows each other. That's that much less time they have to figure stuff out.

**BossChief** · 01-07-2010, 03:05 AM

Clark Hunt $$$ spent

Stadium Renovations
Matt Cassel
Scott Pioli
Todd Haley
Firing Herm Edwards
Tyson Jackson
was in the running for Haynesworth (supposedly, who really knows?)

How do you know if Clark does or doesnt attend games? I know that Lamar only missed less than a handfull of games in like 40 years.

If you wanna talk shit about Lamar Hunt, go follow the ****ing Falcons or something.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 03:06 AM

I'm sorry, in the time I've been alive I can't say Lamar Hunt cared that much about the team winning games.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well if we go to uncapped year he won't be doing anything because there aren't going to be any FA's.

See the problem?

Maybe Pioli makes a move for a guy like Cribbs we'll see.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

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If you wanna talk shit about Lamar Hunt, go follow the ****ing Falcons or something.

He was a nice man but in my lifetime his franchise really did suck.

TigerPig · 01-07-2010, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

No not that part...I think Snyder and Jones will spend for a player they think will put them over the top, I don't see that with our team.

I don't want them to spend a lot on a big player. Its like putting the fountain up in front of your house before its built.

Until we have a solid player at every position, I don't want to see us go after that lunker of a FA. Free Agency is an EXPENSIVE way to build your team, a good team does so in the draft.

And if you think Pioli sucks at drafting players, then... it SUCKS TO BE YOU!

Cause he's here, he's going to be drafting them for a while now (see how long our last GM was here), and there's nothing you can do about it.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 03:10 AM

Well dude if you look at the Pats drafting history...it's pretty subpar especially as the years have gone on.

I'm a big proponent of the draft but I thought the Chiefs should have spent money this year, when you are that far under the cap, have no one to resign in the near future but have no players who are in the 26-30 range because you had very poor past drafts you should spend some money.

The Chiefs basically have money to spend because they drafted so poorly they have no stars to resign.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well dude if you look at the Pats drafting history...it's pretty subpar especially as the years have gone on.

I'm a big proponent of the draft but I thought the Chiefs should have spent money this year, when you are that far under the cap, have no one to resign in the near future but have no players who are in the 26-30 range because you had very poor past drafts you should spend some money.

The Chiefs basically have money to spend because they drafted so poorly they have no stars to resign.

I'd rather build the core through the draft and sign free agents to fill some holes. I'm not a fan of drafting based on need.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-07-2010, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Clark Hunt $$$ spent

Stadium Renovations
Matt Cassel
Scott Pioli
Todd Haley
Firing Herm Edwards
Tyson Jackson
was in the running for Haynesworth (supposedly, who really knows?)

How do you know if Clark does or doesnt attend games? I know that Lamar only missed less than a handfull of games in like 40 years.

If you wanna talk shit about Lamar Hunt, go follow the ****ing Falcons or something.

The Hunt family is pretty damned seedy. There are a shitload of scumbags infested in the familial lines. Hell, some of Lamar's brothers contributed to groups that helped fund Iran Contra. Of course, several were also convicted felons, and his dad was a man whore. Lamar himself was no saint as a businessman.

He turned a 25K investment into a multimillion dollar franchise. Good for him. But once he won the SB his level of interest waned significantly, which is why we had 2 GMs for 40 years and less than a handful of playoff wins.

Mecca · 01-07-2010, 03:21 AM

That is a completely different argument, you know the Pats core right now is a FA built core right?

Their drafts have really shit the bed as of late.

Titty Meat · 01-07-2010, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That is a completely different argument, you know the Pats core right now is a FA built core right?

Their drafts have really shit the bed as of late.

Child please. Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Mayo, The O-line?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-07-2010, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Maybe Pioli makes a move for a guy like Cribbs we'll see.

Josh Cribbs is a nice player, but if he's what we're pinning our hopes on, they should just nuke the whole ****ing complex and start over.

01-06-2010, 07:08 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Getting The Band Back Together Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree". It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out. Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure. Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game. Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over. Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg. Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.
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01-07-2010, 03:05 AM	#123
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	Well if we go to uncapped year he won't be doing anything because there aren't going to be any FA's. See the problem?
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01-07-2010, 03:05 AM	#125
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1785912	Clark Hunt $$$ spent Stadium Renovations Matt Cassel Scott Pioli Todd Haley Firing Herm Edwards Tyson Jackson was in the running for Haynesworth (supposedly, who really knows?) How do you know if Clark does or doesnt attend games? I know that Lamar only missed less than a handfull of games in like 40 years. If you wanna talk shit about Lamar Hunt, go follow the ing Falcons or something. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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01-07-2010, 03:06 AM	#126
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	I'm sorry, in the time I've been alive I can't say Lamar Hunt cared that much about the team winning games.
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01-07-2010, 03:10 AM	#130
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	Well dude if you look at the Pats drafting history...it's pretty subpar especially as the years have gone on. I'm a big proponent of the draft but I thought the Chiefs should have spent money this year, when you are that far under the cap, have no one to resign in the near future but have no players who are in the 26-30 range because you had very poor past drafts you should spend some money. The Chiefs basically have money to spend because they drafted so poorly they have no stars to resign.
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01-07-2010, 03:21 AM	#133
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	That is a completely different argument, you know the Pats core right now is a FA built core right? Their drafts have really shit the bed as of late.
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