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Old 01-06-2010, 07:08 PM  
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Getting The Band Back Together
Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:23 AM   #136
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The Hunt family is pretty damned seedy. There are a shitload of scumbags infested in the familial lines. Hell, some of Lamar's brothers contributed to groups that helped fund Iran Contra. Of course, several were also convicted felons, and his dad was a man whore. Lamar himself was no saint as a businessman.

He turned a 25K investment into a multimillion dollar franchise. Good for him. But once he won the SB his level of interest waned significantly, which is why we had 2 GMs for 40 years and less than a handful of playoff wins.
Don't forget he was good friends with the Bush's. Politics aside look at how George W. Bush ran the Texas Rangers.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:23 AM   #137
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Seymour isn't on that team right now so how does he count?
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:24 AM   #138
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Seymour isn't on that team right now so how does he count?
Now you're nitpicking. Most of the good Pats players were drafted and to fill holes Belichick/Pioli targeted talent from other teams and made moves for said talent.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:24 AM   #139
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Also the Pats shitting the bed in the draft is why they still have a shitty RB and why their defense has faded, all of the young guys they drafted to come in and play suck ass aside from Mayo, who should be good any LB that went where he did should be that player.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:25 AM   #140
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Most of their good players were drafted..

2 of their 3 best offensive players were not drafted by them...

They're awful at drafting rush backers even in their bowl winning years, Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas etc etc none of those guys were drafted by the Pats they're all FA moves.
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Also the Pats shitting the bed in the draft is why they still have a shitty RB and why their defense has faded, all of the young guys they drafted to come in and play suck ass aside from Mayo, who should be good any LB that went where he did should be that player.
I'm not saying the Patriots are the best at drafting especially the last few drafts but then again I seem to remember you saying Dmitroff was in charge of drafting and Pioli was the guy that worked with Belichick signing free agents and trading for players.
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Most of their good players were drafted..

2 of their 3 best offensive players were not drafted by them...

They're awful at drafting rush backers even in their bowl winning years, Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas etc etc none of those guys were drafted by the Pats they're all FA moves.
Colvin & Thomas weren't worth the money but still the defense was pretty good and they made a few super bowls.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:28 AM   #143
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Well after this last draft I'm certainly not going to hold my breath because that was an epic disaster.
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Most of their good players were drafted..

2 of their 3 best offensive players were not drafted by them...

They're awful at drafting rush backers even in their bowl winning years, Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas etc etc none of those guys were drafted by the Pats they're all FA moves.
But they also weren't the huge picks of the FA season. What makes NE so great is all of their picks (minus Moss, and maybe Corey Dillon) fly under the radar for the most part. They keep getting quality players to make a solid team.

They draft what they can, and fill in the rest, but without spending an obscene amount of money on a few players.
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Colvin & Thomas weren't worth the money but still the defense was pretty good and they made a few super bowls.
The point is the Pats are a team that has spent a lot of FA money to build that team, we're not looking at the Colts or Ravens here or even the Eagles who are a mostly drafted team with some FA's sprinkled in.
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I agree with you the last draft sucked but also I would give it a few years before saying it for sure.
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But they also weren't the huge picks of the FA season. What makes NE so great is all of their picks (minus Moss, and maybe Corey Dillon) fly under the radar for the most part. They keep getting quality players to make a solid team.

They draft what they can, and fill in the rest, but without spending an obscene amount of money on a few players.
Adalius Thomas has a gigantic contract...he was the #1 available LB his FA year so really lets not play that card.
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The point is the Pats are a team that has spent a lot of FA money to build that team, we're not looking at the Colts or Ravens here or even the Eagles who are a mostly drafted team with some FA's sprinkled in.
Dude when the Patriots were good in the early 2000's the did the same thing Pioli is trying to do now. Build through the draft and acquire talent to fill holes. They signed alot of guys for small contracts, it wasn't until the mid-2000's if I remember correctly when they started signing guys to big contracts.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:32 AM   #149
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So do you think we spent no money FA because Clark would only sign off on 1 move being Cassel factoring in the Jackson pick you know playing in that he's cheap...

Or was Pioli really naive to think this team had talent?
Let me get this straight?

You would be backing it if Pioli went full reerun in signing Haynesworth to that full reerun deal? How about Jason Brown to his reeruned deal? You think we had a chance at Canty or Igor? If you said yes, you know less about football than I thought and I have to reaccess my opinion of you.

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I'm sorry, in the time I've been alive I can't say Lamar Hunt cared that much about the team winning games.
This definitely changed my opinion of you.

It is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read about any topic; football or non football related, in my entire 31 year old life. Congratulations!

Why exactly do you claim to like this team, again?

All I see is a guy that hates everything to do with his, supposed, loved team!

Im not sure I have read anything from any of your posts in all the time I have been here that would indicate that you even like this team.

I hate to say it and with all due respect, you seem to have the attitude of a quitter. You seem to have no feelings of hope that we can get better and that we will be stuck eternally in the cellar. If so, why claim to like the team, just go ahead and sell me all your Chiefs stuff and you can go and buy your Sanchez jersey like everyone knows you want to.

If you dont like the Weis hire, hate is blinding your objectivity.

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He was a nice man but in my lifetime his franchise really did suck.
so, that is because he didnt want to win?

JFC

I forgot, his teams were always well below the salary cap and he just pocketed cash year in and year out without doing everything from his point of view to put good people in position to do a job for him and then somewhat let them do their job. If he medled in the affairs that are the GMs job, he would get criticized for it but because he tries to put the best man for the job in the position and let him work, he is the bad guy?

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Good thing they did because they lacked talent because they drafted like crap....

The Patriots have a lot more in common with the Cowboys than they do the Eagles or Colts or Ravens.

The Cowboys have some nice draft picks but were largely built in FA, actually the Cowboys might have more draft picks playing for them than the Pats do. That's where we have to think about the perception of how teams were built since I assume most would not classify the Cowboys and Pats near each other in how they build teams.
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