Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Simmons also said he has an inside source that Moss is gone.

One thing I've noticed and find quite interesting are when teams have these cancer type players like R.Moss, Owens, LJ, or a guy like Mike Vick for example and never win anything.

It's got to be some sort of bad omen when these guys come to play for good teams and then those team just don't accomplish anything.

[MGRS13]

Originally Posted by RedThat

One thing I've noticed and find quite interesting are when teams have these cancer type players like R.Moss, Owens, LJ, or a guy like Mike Vick for example and never win anything.

It's got to be some sort of bad omen when these guys come to play for good teams and then those team just don't accomplish anything.

Well in Moss' defense he did set a record for TD's while his team was going undefeated in the regular season. Not to mention he has been a perfect citizen while he has been in NE. I know alot of people want to say Moss is the problem in NE but the fact is their defense has dropped off a cliff in the past year and a half.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by MGRS13

Well in Moss' defense he did set a record for TD's while his team was going undefeated in the regular season. Not to mention he has been a perfect citizen while he has been in NE. I know alot of people want to say Moss is the problem in NE but the fact is their defense has dropped off a cliff in the past year and a half.

The guy is a great player, Id never doubt him for that and Im glad to see an improvement in his character.

You have no disagreement from me that their defense has been a problem for them. However, this is where I am trying to get at, Moss does have a weakness. His work ethics are questionable at times. They are. When times are tough, I don't view him as the type of player who puts forth enough of a concerted effort to help his team win. He has a lack of fortitude.

Thats the way I've always interpreted him. And we all know the Patriots as an organization with players that have loads of players with fortitude and effort. Those characteristics have been a staple of the Patriots franchise over this last decade. It's pretty much been their blueprint over the years and another reason why they were world champions. Now, anytime you add guy like Randy Moss into that mix, it has an effect on their overall chemistry and morale. Not exactly a good blend if you ask me.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by RedThat

One thing I've noticed and find quite interesting are when teams have these cancer type players like R.Moss, Owens, LJ, or a guy like Mike Vick for example and never win anything.

It's got to be some sort of bad omen when these guys come to play for good teams and then those team just don't accomplish anything.

Yeah, Moss only caught the TD pass from Brady to put the Patriots ahead in the SB with 2 minutes to play before the defense coughed it up. You are blaming Moss for the Patriots not going 19-0 that year?

I also love all this revisionist history. After 2007 Brady was being called one of the top 2 of all time after his 50 TD passes. He get a knee injury and now he's not even on the top 5 or 10. Sure, today he may not be. But it doesn't take away where he was 2 years ago.
And I love how Kurt Warner is suddenly clutch with his 9 playoff wins and Brady isn't with his 14. Talk about "what have you done for me lately?"
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[DBOSHO]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Yeah, Moss only caught the TD pass from Brady to put the Patriots ahead in the SB with 2 minutes to play before the defense coughed it up. You are blaming Moss for the Patriots not going 19-0 that year?

I also love all this revisionist history. After 2007 Brady was being called one of the top 2 of all time after his 50 TD passes. He get a knee injury and now he's not even on the top 5 or 10. Sure, today he may not be. But it doesn't take away where he was 2 years ago.
And I love how Kurt Warner is suddenly clutch with his 9 playoff wins and Brady isn't with his 14. Talk about "what have you done for me lately?"
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Dude its bradys fault pollard barreled into his knee. If he had the pocket awareness of say, a peyton manning, he wouldve dodged it and threw a td.

Its also his fault that the defense played at a high school level for most of the season.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Dude its bradys fault pollard barreled into his knee. If he had the pocket awareness of say, a peyton manning, he wouldve dodged it and threw a td.

Its also his fault that the defense played at a high school level for most of the season.

Peyton Manning was sacked 10 times this season...

10 times.

And do you think that is a testament to his offensive line?

Because I certainly don't...

That offense line is MEDIOCRE...

I love Aaron Rodgers...I think he's great...I bet someone on this board last year he'd have a QB rating over 90 (when they ended up going 6-10 and he posted a 91+ rating)...I knew he was going to be a great QB...

Put Aaron Rodgers behind the Colts line and he gets sacked around the same amount of times he was sacked behind his line in Green Bay.

Hey...

You want to bail Brady out of his poor performance because of his knee injury...or because of his "lack" of weapons (and I'll lol at that all day long)...or because of his shitty offensive line...

But the truth is...Manning never would have suffered that knee injury because he never would have put himself in that situation...he knows he's too important to that team...

and you know what...

Peyton Manning had the worst supporting cast I've ever seen in my life last season for the first 10 weeks and he SINGLE-HANDEDLY kept that team alive and they ended up winning 12 games...

He had absolutely NO protection and he was still getting rid of the ball and making plays DESPITE a non-existant running game and a WR2 (Harrison) who was 1000% washed up and missing two gigantic steps from his game...

Just sit back and watch Peyton Manning play that same Ravens defense at home tonight (just like Brady last week) and see what he does...

But then I'm sure it's just because he has the better "weapons" and better "supporting cast"...

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Hootie

But the truth is...Manning never would have suffered that knee injury because he never would have put himself in that situation...he knows he's too important to that team...

What a load of horse shit. Anyone buying?

It's football, Hootie. Players get hit, and sometimes unlucky shit happens.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What a load of horse shit. Anyone buying?

It's football, Hootie. Players get hit, and sometimes unlucky shit happens.

and that's why Peyton Manning has never, ever, EVER missed a game? Ever.

???

Lets be honest...

and Tom Brady has always been very non-injury prone as well...

Some players just won't get injured...

Peyton Manning senses pressure better than any QB EVER and he doesn't take hits, and when he does, he knows when they are coming and he instinctively protects himself from injury.

Plain and simple.

Other than draining his knee last offseason...has he ever even been on an injury report?

The guy is a freak of nature. He has QB in his DNA.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Hootie

and that's why Peyton Manning has never, ever, EVER missed a game? Ever.

???

Lets be honest...

and Tom Brady has always been very non-injury prone as well...

Some players just won't get injured...

Peyton Manning senses pressure better than any QB EVER and he doesn't take hits, and when he does, he knows when they are coming and he instinctively protects himself from injury.

Plain and simple.

Other than draining his knee last offseason...has he ever even been on an injury report?

The guy is a freak of nature. He has QB in his DNA.

He gets rid of the ball quickly, no question.

But Brady had gotten rid of it, too, before Pollard went into his knee. Just unlucky.

[DBOSHO]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Peyton Manning was sacked 10 times this season...

10 times.

And do you think that is a testament to his offensive line?

Because I certainly don't...

That offense line is MEDIOCRE...

I love Aaron Rodgers...I think he's great...I bet someone on this board last year he'd have a QB rating over 90 (when they ended up going 6-10 and he posted a 91+ rating)...I knew he was going to be a great QB...

Put Aaron Rodgers behind the Colts line and he gets sacked around the same amount of times he was sacked behind his line in Green Bay.

Hey...

You want to bail Brady out of his poor performance because of his knee injury...or because of his "lack" of weapons (and I'll lol at that all day long)...or because of his shitty offensive line...

But the truth is...Manning never would have suffered that knee injury because he never would have put himself in that situation...he knows he's too important to that team...

and you know what...

Peyton Manning had the worst supporting cast I've ever seen in my life last season for the first 10 weeks and he SINGLE-HANDEDLY kept that team alive and they ended up winning 12 games...

He had absolutely NO protection and he was still getting rid of the ball and making plays DESPITE a non-existant running game and a WR2 (Harrison) who was 1000% washed up and missing two gigantic steps from his game...

Just sit back and watch Peyton Manning play that same Ravens defense at home tonight (just like Brady last week) and see what he does...

But then I'm sure it's just because he has the better "weapons" and better "supporting cast"...

This entire post is funny. Peyton wouldnt put himself in that situation because hes a pussy in the pocket when pressures around.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Just sit back and watch Peyton Manning play that same Ravens defense at home tonight (just like Brady last week) and see what he does...

By all means, enjoy the return of Peyty Manningheimer tonight.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Yeah, Moss only caught the TD pass from Brady to put the Patriots ahead in the SB with 2 minutes to play before the defense coughed it up. You are blaming Moss for the Patriots not going 19-0 that year?

I also love all this revisionist history. After 2007 Brady was being called one of the top 2 of all time after his 50 TD passes. He get a knee injury and now he's not even on the top 5 or 10. Sure, today he may not be. But it doesn't take away where he was 2 years ago.
And I love how Kurt Warner is suddenly clutch with his 9 playoff wins and Brady isn't with his 14. Talk about "what have you done for me lately?"
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Nope. Not blaming Moss. Just trying to say that when you add players who don't exactly blend into the overall team chemistry and morale it does have a bit of an effect on the team.

Your second paragraph proves to be correct. This is definately a league where its "what have you done for me lately?"