Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

The guy caught the football with his ****ing helmet on a perfectly defended pass......you really want to go there with this one??

They scored 14 points!

They set every single offensive record anyone could ever think of that season and scored 14 points!

In the MOST IMPORTANT game of Tom Brady's life...

He didn't show up.

P.S. Tom Brady does have the NFL record for TD passes in a season.

P.S.S. Tom Brady's 2007 doesn't TOUCH Peyton Manning's 2004.

[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by Hootie

They scored 14 points!

They set every single offensive record anyone could ever think of that season and scored 14 points!

In the MOST IMPORTANT game of Tom Brady's life...

He didn't show up.

P.S. Tom Brady does have the NFL record for TD passes in a season.

P.S.S. Tom Brady's 2007 doesn't TOUCH Peyton Manning's 2004.

I'll say it again, the guy caught the ball with his head.....

[DBOSHO]

Originally Posted by Hootie

They scored 14 points!

They set every single offensive record anyone could ever think of that season and scored 14 points!

In the MOST IMPORTANT game of Tom Brady's life...

He didn't show up.

P.S. Tom Brady does have the NFL record for TD passes in a season.

P.S.S. Tom Brady's 2007 doesn't TOUCH Peyton Manning's 2004.

He had more touchdowns but i guess that doesnt "touch" peyton.
Oh btw, at least brady made it to the superbowl that year. I cant remember who peyton lost to, but he got his ass kicked.
Do you seriously just sit down and think "what can i type today that will make cp think im reeruned?"

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

He had more touchdowns but i guess that doesnt "touch" peyton.
Oh btw, at least brady made it to the superbowl that year. I cant remember who peyton lost to, but he got his ass kicked.
Do you seriously just sit down and think "what can i type today that will make cp think im reeruned?"

Peyton had a better QB rating...

Tony Dungy didn't run up scores all year like the Patriots.

Peyton Manning played 1 series in week 17 in a meaningless game...Tom Brady played an entire game (in a meaningless game) and they were obviously record hunting the whole time...

So I always find it funny when people try and tell me Tom Brady had a statistically better year in 2007 than Manning in 2004...because it's not true.

[DBOSHO]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Peyton had a better QB rating...

Tony Dungy didn't run up scores all year like the Patriots.

Peyton Manning played 1 series in week 17 in a meaningless game...Tom Brady played an entire game (in a meaningless game) and they were obviously record hunting the whole time...

So I always find it funny when people try and tell me Tom Brady had a statistically better year in 2007 than Manning in 2004...because it's not true.

once again, if tom couldnt touch peyton that year, why couldnt he get to the superbowl. Peyton can put the whole team on his back, remember.

So what happened?

[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

once again, if tom couldnt touch peyton that year, why couldnt he get to the superbowl. Peyton can put the whole team on his back, remember.

So what happened?

Manning has been a choker since his days of UT when he couldn't beat Florida...

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

once again, if tom couldnt touch peyton that year, why couldnt he get to the superbowl. Peyton can put the whole team on his back, remember.

So what happened?

They lost to a better Patriots team on the road in the playoffs?

That's simple. It's not like the Patriots didn't have the better seed or anything.

But Peyton choked that year...yet Tom wasn't the choker in 2006 when he ended their season, at Indy, with a pick on the final drive where a TD sends them to the Super Bowl.

That isn't a choke job...nevermind they were winning 21-3 at one point...

[DBOSHO]

Originally Posted by Hootie

They lost to a better Patriots team on the road in the playoffs?

That's simple. It's not like the Patriots didn't have the better seed or anything.

But Peyton choked that year...yet Tom wasn't the choker in 2006 when he ended their season, at Indy, with a pick on the final drive where a TD sends them to the Super Bowl.

That isn't a choke job...nevermind they were winning 21-3 at one point...

"every time the colts ask peyton to win the game, he delivers"

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Hootie

They lost to a better Patriots team on the road in the playoffs?

That's simple. It's not like the Patriots didn't have the better seed or anything.

But Peyton choked that year...yet Tom wasn't the choker in 2006 when he ended their season, at Indy, with a pick on the final drive where a TD sends them to the Super Bowl.

That isn't a choke job...nevermind they were winning 21-3 at one point...

No one is arguing that Brady has never choked in the clutch.

as a matter of fact, I would aregue that he has choked in the clutch in the Patriots last three playoff losses.

What we are arguing i sthat he has delivered in the clutch more than Manning has.

And the fact is, that point is inarguable.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by milkman

No one is arguing that Brady has never choked in the clutch.

as a matter of fact, I would aregue that he has choked in the clutch in the Patriots last three playoff losses.

What we are arguing i sthat he has delivered in the clutch more than Manning has.

And the fact is, that point is inarguable.

I just disagree...

Just because the Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls doesn't mean Tom Brady delivered in the clutch.

Because I don't think he did...

If the Patriots EVER had ANY pressure on them in those last drives in those Super Bowls...then sure, depending on the drive and scenario, I'd label him a captain clutch in a heartbeat.

The fact is...

Both times they needed a score to win in the Super Bowl the games were tied...

Everyone knows that pressure is SQUARELY on the opposing defense...

I'd love to have seen Tom Brady down by 4 on one of those drives...

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

once again, if tom couldnt touch peyton that year, why couldnt he get to the superbowl. Peyton can put the whole team on his back, remember.

So what happened?

So when Manning put up 3 points against New England in the 2004 playoffs was that Manning "choking in the biggest game of his life" like Brady against the Giants? And why was the SB against the Giants the biggest game of his life? He played and won 3 other Super Bowls. They were pretty big too.
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