Chiefs Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel - Page 8

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 11:09 AM

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The Montreal Screw-Job Award for "Most Shocking Turn on a Beloved Figure"

I didn't call my father during the first half of the Baltimore beating. There was nothing to say. When you give up an 83-yard run to start a game against a team you know wants to run 40 times, you kinda know how it's going to turn out. We all knew the 2009 Patriots had a playoff stink bomb in them; just not in Round 1 at home. Anyway, I was too depressed to call him at halftime. After another Brady interception in the third quarter, my cell phone started vibrating. Yup, it was a text from my dad.

"We never should have traded Cassel."

(Ouch.)

Pushead2 · 01-16-2010, 01:15 PM

and the sad thing is I personally think Manning is a better QB...but the way you shit on Brady is reeruned.

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

WIth a system that Matt Cassel guided to an 11-5 record.

Put Peyton Manning in NE and Tom Brady in Indy and it's a bloodbath. Indy wouldn't have even played .500 football with Tom Brady under center this year (injured WRs, no running game, scatter-shot defense) and Manning would've taken them to 16-0 but/for a moron head coach.

Ever heard of derek anderson?

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushead2

Rex Grossman should have won it for the Colts then if that's your dumb argument....

I guess somehow people forget how well Peyton Manning played in that Super Bowl against the Bears...

Against the best defense the league has seen since the Ravens won the Super Bowl earlier in the decade...

But you're right...that was all Grossman and the Colts defense.

DJ's left nut · 01-16-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Give me your honest answer.

If peyton was under center last week, would he have beaten the ravens, and if so, why?

Yes.

Manning doesn't take that sack/strip.

Manning doesn't throw 2 first quarter picks.

Tom Brady put his team in a hole they couldn't crawl out of. If Mannings there, but Ravens could've never gone into the bombshell offense they went into.

You genuinely believe Manning would've lost to a team that completed 4 passes?

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Give me your honest answer.

If peyton was under center last week, would he have beaten the ravens, and if so, why?

well I guess we get to find out tonight...

and if you're asking...

I'm thinking Colts 24 Ravens 13

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

They lost to a better Patriots team on the road in the playoffs?

That's simple. It's not like the Patriots didn't have the better seed or anything.

But Peyton choked that year...yet Tom wasn't the choker in 2006 when he ended their season, at Indy, with a pick on the final drive where a TD sends them to the Super Bowl.

That isn't a choke job...nevermind they were winning 21-3 at one point...

"every time the colts ask peyton to win the game, he delivers"

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

well I guess we get to find out tonight...

and if you're asking...

I'm thinking Colts 24 Ravens 13

Lol peyton is playing on the patriots tonight?

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:20 PM

They try and talk about weapons...

Lets go watch some 2007 Patriots game tape and watch how many times Brady heaves the ball 55 yards into double coverage (Miami anybody?) to see Randy Moss make remarkable catch after remarkable catch...

Sorry...Peyton Manning has NEVER had anything CLOSE to 2007 Randy Moss...Peyton and his receivers do it all with timing...he's never had a security blanket to heave to when nothing else is open.

And lets be honest...

Randy Moss IS/WAS so good...SO good...we thought Daunte Culpepper was a top tier QB for YEARS...Nick Saban traded a 2nd round pick for Culpepper rather than signing Drew Brees off the street for NO compensation.

Pushead2 · 01-16-2010, 01:21 PM

he went 25/38 for 247 2tds 1int
Grossman 20/28 165 1td 2int

RedThat · 01-16-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13

Well in Moss' defense he did set a record for TD's while his team was going undefeated in the regular season. Not to mention he has been a perfect citizen while he has been in NE. I know alot of people want to say Moss is the problem in NE but the fact is their defense has dropped off a cliff in the past year and a half.

The guy is a great player, Id never doubt him for that and Im glad to see an improvement in his character.

You have no disagreement from me that their defense has been a problem for them. However, this is where I am trying to get at, Moss does have a weakness. His work ethics are questionable at times. They are. When times are tough, I don't view him as the type of player who puts forth enough of a concerted effort to help his team win. He has a lack of fortitude.

Thats the way I've always interpreted him. And we all know the Patriots as an organization with players that have loads of players with fortitude and effort. Those characteristics have been a staple of the Patriots franchise over this last decade. It's pretty much been their blueprint over the years and another reason why they were world champions. Now, anytime you add guy like Randy Moss into that mix, it has an effect on their overall chemistry and morale. Not exactly a good blend if you ask me.

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yes.

Manning doesn't take that sack/strip.

Manning doesn't throw 2 first quarter picks.

Tom Brady put his team in a hole they couldn't crawl out of. If Mannings there, but Ravens could've never gone into the bombshell offense they went into.

You genuinely believe Manning would've lost to a team that completed 4 passes?

I will admit, the first pick was awful. The 2nd one was bad, but the strip, come on man.

It was like matt light wasnt even there. He did NOTHING on that play. Even peyton doesnt get the ball off that fast.

Pushead2 · 01-16-2010, 01:22 PM

Grossman also fumbled twice and it wasn't pressure because he was only sacked once.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Lol peyton is playing on the patriots tonight?

no but he's playing the team that made Tom Brady look like an inferior Matt Cassel

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

They try and talk about weapons...

Lets go watch some 2007 Patriots game tape and watch how many times Brady heaves the ball 55 yards into double coverage (Miami anybody?) to see Randy Moss make remarkable catch after remarkable catch...

Sorry...Peyton Manning has NEVER had anything CLOSE to 2007 Randy Moss...Peyton and his receivers do it all with timing...he's never had a security blanket to heave to when nothing else is open.

And lets be honest...

Randy Moss IS/WAS so good...SO good...we thought Daunte Culpepper was a top tier QB for YEARS...Nick Saban traded a 2nd round pick for Culpepper rather than signing Drew Brees off the street for NO compensation.

Peyton ever have wide recievers that quit on routes?

DJ's left nut · 01-16-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

I will admit, the first pick was awful. The 2nd one was bad, but the strip, come on man.

It was like matt light wasnt even there. He did NOTHING on that play. Even peyton doesnt get the ball off that fast.

My memory is that Brady patted the ball just beofre getting blasted.

Manning doesn't pat. He throws on time or he throws it away.

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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	They try and talk about weapons... Lets go watch some 2007 Patriots game tape and watch how many times Brady heaves the ball 55 yards into double coverage (Miami anybody?) to see Randy Moss make remarkable catch after remarkable catch... Sorry...Peyton Manning has NEVER had anything CLOSE to 2007 Randy Moss...Peyton and his receivers do it all with timing...he's never had a security blanket to heave to when nothing else is open. And lets be honest... Randy Moss IS/WAS so good...SO good...we thought Daunte Culpepper was a top tier QB for YEARS...Nick Saban traded a 2nd round pick for Culpepper rather than signing Drew Brees off the street for NO compensation.
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01-16-2010, 01:21 PM	#114
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01-16-2010, 01:22 PM	#117
Pushead2 **** off Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York Casino cash: $6331882	Grossman also fumbled twice and it wasn't pressure because he was only sacked once. __________________ "**** up once, lose two teeth....”
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