Chiefs Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel - Page 11

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 11:09 AM

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The Montreal Screw-Job Award for "Most Shocking Turn on a Beloved Figure"

I didn't call my father during the first half of the Baltimore beating. There was nothing to say. When you give up an 83-yard run to start a game against a team you know wants to run 40 times, you kinda know how it's going to turn out. We all knew the 2009 Patriots had a playoff stink bomb in them; just not in Round 1 at home. Anyway, I was too depressed to call him at halftime. After another Brady interception in the third quarter, my cell phone started vibrating. Yup, it was a text from my dad.

"We never should have traded Cassel."

(Ouch.)

milkman · 01-16-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I just disagree...

Just because the Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls doesn't mean Tom Brady delivered in the clutch.

Because I don't think he did...

If the Patriots EVER had ANY pressure on them in those last drives in those Super Bowls...then sure, depending on the drive and scenario, I'd label him a captain clutch in a heartbeat.

The fact is...

Both times they needed a score to win in the Super Bowl the games were tied...

Everyone knows that pressure is SQUARELY on the opposing defense...

I'd love to have seen Tom Brady down by 4 on one of those drives...

In the SB against the Rams, how much time was on the clock when the Patriots got the ball?

To discount that because the score was tied is moronacy at it's best.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Manning can not deliver in the clutch against pressure.

Wow that's quite the statement.

Throwing around "definites" as fact.

Manning certainly delivered against the almighty Patriots in the clutch in the AFC Championship game in 2006 when the game was on the line.

Regardless...

The Ravens have one shot. They need to score first. Period.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

In the SB against the Rams, how much time was on the clock when the Patriots got the ball?

To discount that because the score was tied is moronacy at it's best.

I remember one Super Bowl where the Pats were down by 3 and had plenty of time to get into field goal range...

but Brady got sacked a few times and game over.

But that wasn't his fault...his team let him down.

I do know that the one Super Bowl where the pressure was on Tom Brady on the final drive because they were actually down a score (3) rather than being tied...he didn't deliver.

What's the one thing a QB can't do in that situation? Take a sack?

Yikes.

milkman · 01-16-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Wow that's quite the statement.

Throwing around "definites" as fact.

Manning certainly delivered against the almighty Patriots in the clutch in the AFC Championship game in 2006 when the game was on the line.

Regardless...

The Ravens have one shot. They need to score first. Period.

It's called absolutes, and you're right, I'll give you that.

Manning can deliver in the clutch, but he's consistently failed to do so, only delivering once.

RedThat · 01-16-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Wow that's quite the statement.

Throwing around "definites" as fact.

Manning certainly delivered against the almighty Patriots in the clutch in the AFC Championship game in 2006 when the game was on the line.

Regardless...

The Ravens have one shot. They need to score first. Period.

Yup score first, win the turnover battle and control the whole game. I think it'll be a tough match up for the Colts, they've always seemed to struggle against really physical and smart teams.

milkman · 01-16-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I remember one Super Bowl where the Pats were down by 3 and had plenty of time to get into field goal range...

but Brady got sacked a few times and game over.

But that wasn't his fault...his team let him down.

I do know that the one Super Bowl where the pressure was on Tom Brady on the final drive because they were actually down a score (3) rather than being tied...he didn't deliver.

What's the one thing a QB can't do in that situation? Take a sack?

Yikes.

I've said this more than once, dumbass, so pay the **** attention.

Brady has failed to deliver in his last three playoff losses.
That includes that SB.

But that doesn't discount the fact that he still has delivered more often than Manning.

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I remember one Super Bowl where the Pats were down by 3 and had plenty of time to get into field goal range...

but Brady got sacked a few times and game over.

But that wasn't his fault...his team let him down.

I do know that the one Super Bowl where the pressure was on Tom Brady on the final drive because they were actually down a score (3) rather than being tied...he didn't deliver.

What's the one thing a QB can't do in that situation? Take a sack?

Yikes.

Hootie do you have your What Would Peyton Do bracelets on?

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:47 PM

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Brady made all of his 145 yards count, especially on the game-winning drive. Starting on the Patriots' own 17-yard line with 1:21 remaining, Brady picked up a first down with an innocent 8-yard dump to J.R. Redmond for a first down. He hooked up with Redmond again two plays later for an 11-yard reception and another first down at the New England 41.

While John Madden was talking overtime -- and judging by the silence of the dome, so were the 72,922 on hand -- the Patriots were focused on a winning field goal. Said Brady: "I was planning to go out there to win the game."

Time was now the Patriots' biggest opponent. Brady threw incomplete, then connected with Troy Brown over the middle, and Brown managed to turn up field and get out of bounds at the St. Louis 36 for a 23-yard gain. Now, with only 21 seconds left, Brady threw a short pass in the right flat to tight end Jermaine Wiggins, who fought his way to the Rams' 30-yard line. Brady calmly spiked the ball to stop the clock with seven seconds to play.

Wow man!

How clutch is he! The Rams gave him underneath routes and he sure stepped up and made those 3 yard throws to allow Vinatieri to drill that 48 yard extra point chip shot!

Captain clutch knows how to work those flats that those awesome prevent defenses allow!

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It's called absolutes, and you're right, I'll give you that.

Manning can deliver in the clutch, but he's consistently failed to do so, only delivering once.

oh he's delivered more than once...

Unless of course we're talking about Super Bowl rings...which apparently we are...

so yeah, you're right...Brady has 3 rings to Manning's 1...that is fact, I'll give you that.

DBOSHO · 01-16-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Wow man!

How clutch is he! The Rams gave him underneath routes and he sure stepped up and made those 3 yard throws to allow Vinatieri to drill that 48 yard extra point chip shot!

Captain clutch knows how to work those flats that those awesome prevent defenses allow!

Its funny how you knock me and other posters for "discrediting" peyton, when you do the exact same thing with brady.

**Baby Lee** · 01-16-2010, 01:50 PM

The time has come. There has to be something BEYOND full reerun to describe Hootie.

I submit, 'Hootie's gone plaidtard.'

milkman · 01-16-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Wow man!

How clutch is he! The Rams gave him underneath routes and he sure stepped up and made those 3 yard throws to allow Vinatieri to drill that 48 yard extra point chip shot!

Captain clutch knows how to work those flats that those awesome prevent defenses allow!

Who doesn't play prevent these days?

He made the plays he had to get them into position to win.

Any argument to suggest he didn't perform in the clutch is just hot air.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Hootie do you have your What Would Peyton Do bracelets on?

at least milkman is intelligent...

I don't have any idea who you are and I certainly have zero interest in anything you have to say...

Until you learn how to type like an adult...I'll continue to show zero interest in any point you try to make.

milkman · 01-16-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

oh he's delivered more than once...

Unless of course we're talking about Super Bowl rings...which apparently we are...

so yeah, you're right...Brady has 3 rings to Manning's 1...that is fact, I'll give you that.

No, he only delivered once, against the Patriots in that SB run.

That's it.

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

The time has come. There has to be something BEYOND full reerun to describe Hootie.

I submit, 'Hootie's gone plaidtard.'

I enjoy your commentary but lets face the facts...

At least I back up my stance on subjects...

At least I don't dedicate posts like the one you just made to push my agenda...

Have you said ANYTHING intelligent in this entire thread?

I think your stance is this...

"Brady is clutch, Peyton Manning chokes."

Yet you provide no insight to your opinion...

Wow...thanks for your contributions!

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