Chiefs Bill Simmons on Tom Brady/Matt Cassel - Page 18

Hootie · 01-16-2010, 11:09 AM

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The Montreal Screw-Job Award for "Most Shocking Turn on a Beloved Figure"

I didn't call my father during the first half of the Baltimore beating. There was nothing to say. When you give up an 83-yard run to start a game against a team you know wants to run 40 times, you kinda know how it's going to turn out. We all knew the 2009 Patriots had a playoff stink bomb in them; just not in Round 1 at home. Anyway, I was too depressed to call him at halftime. After another Brady interception in the third quarter, my cell phone started vibrating. Yup, it was a text from my dad.

"We never should have traded Cassel."

(Ouch.)

chiefzilla1501 · 01-17-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Rivers' mechanics are ugly, but his passes are not the worst balls in football.

He throws a very catchable ball.

He throws the ball with quite a bit of accuracy. I'm just pointing out that his passes wobble more than any QB in the league right now.

**DeezNutz** · 01-17-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't buy that.

Chambers hasn't had much problem catching the ball. And Rivers throws the absolute worst ball in football.

Our receivers just aren't very good. And Chris Chambers, a good not great receiver, who performed extremely well in the worst of circumstances is living proof of that.

For a guy who caught 36 balls, you've been loving on Chambers an awful lot.

Sadly, he's been one of Pioli's best moves, but I need to see more before I'm ready to crown Chambers' ass just yet. If we could get two more productive seasons out of him, that would be a win. Hell, I'd settle for a strong '10.

But he was very good at fielding wobble punts from Cassel. Dude bailed out his QB on some of the more embarrassing deep balls that I've seen.

**DeezNutz** · 01-17-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Mort reported on ESPN this morning that Arizona is going to be "very aggressive" in moving him - to the point of only taking a 3rd and 5th.

Shocked if that doesn't land him in KC.

Which would mean no WR in the second, but...that's ok given the overall weak class. 2011 is going to be ****ing sick, though.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-17-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

For a guy who caught 36 balls, you've been loving on Chambers an awful lot.

Sadly, he's been one of Pioli's best moves, but I need to see more before I'm ready to crown Chambers' ass just yet. If we could get two more productive seasons out of him, that would be a win. Hell, I'd settle for a strong '10.

But he was very good at fielding wobble punts from Cassel. Dude bailed out his QB on some of the more embarrassing deep balls that I've seen.

I only love Chambers because I think he's exposed our receiver corps for being as bad as they are. Before Chambers, I thought Bowe was pretty much untouchable. A million excuses for why he was underperforming.

I think Chambers has 1-2 years left in the tank and I worry that he'll disappear after he gets a big contract, as he did in San Diego. But in terms of the way he played the position, he was the only receiver in 2009 for the Chiefs that looked like he belonged in the NFL. Bowe included. He made adjustments to the ball, made the extra effort to make catches, and didn't drop passes.

philfree · 01-17-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Mort reported on ESPN this morning that Arizona is going to be "very aggressive" in moving him - to the point of only taking a 3rd and 5th.

With the way Haley seems feel about injured players I don't know if he'll be interested in Bolden. It seems like a fit in one way but I don't know. For a 5th I'm in.

PhilFree

milkman · 01-17-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Shocked if that doesn't land him in KC.

Which would mean no WR in the second, but...that's ok given the overall weak class. 2011 is going to be ****ing sick, though.

I would be shocked still, if he did land in KC.

His contract issues don't fit the "Right 53" profile.

**DeezNutz** · 01-17-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I only love Chambers because I think he's exposed our receiver corps for being as bad as they are. Before Chambers, I thought Bowe was pretty much untouchable. A million excuses for why he was underperforming.

I think Chambers has 1-2 years left in the tank and I worry that he'll disappear after he gets a big contract, as he did in San Diego. But in terms of the way he played the position, he was the only receiver in 2009 for the Chiefs that looked like he belonged in the NFL. Bowe included. He made adjustments to the ball, made the extra effort to make catches, and didn't drop passes.

I want to see a '10 Bowe minus some of Haley's early bullshit. For example, I'd like to see him actually get to work with Cassel in preseason. Crazy shit like that.

**DeezNutz** · 01-17-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I would be shocked still, if he did land in KC.

His contract issues don't fit the "Right 53" profile.

I hope someone "changes the culture" by shoving "the right 53" right up Pioli's ass.

Better yet, we get talented players and the empty rhetoric stops because there's no need for it.

philfree · 01-17-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I want to see a '10 Bowe minus some of Haley's early bullshit. For example, I'd like to see him actually get to work with Cassel in preseason. Crazy shit like that.

Well maybe if he comes into camp in shape and at the correct weight he'll get that chance. At this point he knows what's expected of him so he has no excuses.

PhilFree

**DeezNutz** · 01-17-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Well maybe if he comes into camp in shape and at the correct weight he'll get that chance. At this point he knows what's expected of him so he has no excuses.

PhilFree

Be in shape. Fine. Of course.

But I don't want to hear about artificial numbers relative to weight. Placing stock in meaningless numbers is for pussies and Vermeil.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-17-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Mort reported on ESPN this morning that Arizona is going to be "very aggressive" in moving him - to the point of only taking a 3rd and 5th.

Then it's an absolute no brainer. They have to at least pursue this guy even with his chronic injury problems.

They would need to add a speed guy in the slot, but a Boldin and Bowe tandem would be nice.

**SAUTO** · 01-17-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I wouldn't put it that way on the first point, but the line is no excuse. That I agree with. He had good enough protection in the second half of the season and a hell of a lot better than Aaron Rodgers gets.

On the second point, that's something I also agree with. As I watched the Colts play last night, I realized that Peyton Manning actually throws to the back of his receivers quite a bit. He's not always perfect at leading his receivers. And as I watched the Saints, Brees throws a ton of passes to the receivers' back shoulder. The Saints' receivers are actually really remarkable about making in-pass adjustments to the ball. i remember a TD pass where I think it was Devery Henderson pretty much did a full 180 to make the proper adjustment to the ball on a fleaflicker. And if you watch Philip Rivers today, what you will see is probably the deadest, worst thrown ball I've ever seen in the NFL. But his receivers catch them. Of course I'm not implying that Cassel is even close to being in any of those guys' league. But I have seen the excuse thrown around that he cripples his receivers, but the more I watch playoff football, the more I realize that receivers just don't have any excuse for not catching a ball that isn't within reasonable reaching distance of their hands. Good receivers make adjustments. Chambers has done that a lot. My opinion of Bowe has taken a complete nosedive throughout this season.

no one wants to hear this, i have said it many times. NO QB IS PERFECT. i said to myself many times during both games that we had NO wr tha wouldve caught those balls. hell a couple of weeks ago rivers threw a wobbler to his, GASP, FULLBACK yep you heard me his fullback, and it was actually caught. wow
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chiefzilla1501 · 01-17-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I want to see a '10 Bowe minus some of Haley's early bullshit. For example, I'd like to see him actually get to work with Cassel in preseason. Crazy shit like that.

That's a fair point, but it's another reason I point to Chambers. This is a guy who worked with Cassel for less than a week before he started to explode. I can only hope that he's made Bowe realize that he's out of excuses. Bowe, to me, is quickly reaching DJ status. A talented player who doesn't play the position consistently enough that I wonder if this is a guy you want on a playoff roster a few years from now.

RustShack · 01-17-2010, 11:48 AM

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milkman · 01-17-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's a fair point, but it's another reason I point to Chambers. This is a guy who worked with Cassel for less than a week before he started to explode. I can only hope that he's made Bowe realize that he's out of excuses. Bowe, to me, is quickly reaching DJ status. A talented player who doesn't play the position consistently enough that I wonder if this is a guy you want on a playoff roster a few years from now.

I don't know.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that Chambers had a few drops, including one of the few well thrown balls that Cassel actually made.

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