Hey hamas

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

According to you, Tom Brady cost his team the game by choking last week..

Now, he didn't have a chance.

you're saying Tom Brady faced more pressure than Tony Romo?

I'd say it's pretty equivalent.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

you're saying Tom Brady faced more pressure than Tony Romo?

I'd say it's pretty equivalent.

If it's equivalent, then why did you claim Brady choked and Romo just had a bad day and played for an inferior team?

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If it's equivalent, then why did you claim Brady choked and Romo just had a bad day and played for an inferior team?

If you want my honest stance...it's pretty simple...

I think the QB choke is a complete myth.

A lot of people talk about Tony Romo as a choker and reference his playoff loss to the Giants in 2007.

He played a HELL of a game against the Giants that year and single-handedly gave them a chance to win that game...his teammates let him down (Patrick Crayton)...yet people say he choked that game simply because he's Tony Romo.

Peyton Manning is clearly better than Tom Brady...always has been and always will be...yet people use the argument that he's a playoff choker to try and promote Tom Brady (since they have nothing else)...

So any time Tom Brady loses I turn the table and call him a choker and everyone goes hog wild since Tom Brady is a proven winner and isn't capable of choking.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

If you want my honest stance...it's pretty simple...

I think the QB choke is a complete myth.

A lot of people talk about Tony Romo as a choker and reference his playoff loss to the Giants in 2007.

He played a HELL of a game against the Giants that year and single-handedly gave them a chance to win that game...his teammates let him down (Patrick Crayton)...yet people say he choked that game simply because he's Tony Romo.

Peyton Manning is clearly better than Tom Brady...always has been and always will be...yet people use the argument that he's a playoff choker to try and promote Tom Brady (since they have nothing else)...

So any time Tom Brady loses I turn the table and call him a choker and everyone goes hog wild since Tom Brady is a proven winner and isn't capable of choking.

That's some pretty impressive revisionist history.

"It was obviously just tongue in cheek!"

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's some pretty impressive revisionist history.

"It was obviously just tongue in cheek!"

if we're going to paint every playoff loss as a choke...I'm going to reference Tom Brady...plain and simple.

He threw 1 whole TD pass in the entire 2001 postseason.

The guy is just so overrated it sickens me.

how can anyone watch him and watch peyton manning and come to the conclusion that Tom Brady is better?

That is insane.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hootie

if we're going to paint every playoff loss as a choke...I'm going to reference Tom Brady...plain and simple.

He threw 1 whole TD pass in the entire 2001 postseason.

The guy is just so overrated it sickens me.

how can anyone watch him and watch peyton manning and come to the conclusion that Tom Brady is better?

That is insane.

Then perhaps you should ground your critiques in stats and evidence and not become so inured to the idea that Manning is better that you lose any pretense of objectivity.

You can't conduct an argument without resorting to pure propaganda, and that's why you always fail in convincing people. There's no acknowledgement of the merits of the other side whatsoever. It's Peyton Manning is the greatest and Tom Brady is the worst. It's Fox News levels of intelligence.

If you want people to believe that Manning is better than Brady, at least be intellectually honest enough to give Brady some credit, because whether or not you like it, he's a hall of fame quarterback.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Then perhaps you should ground your critiques in stats and evidence and not become so inured to the idea that Manning is better that you lose any pretense of objectivity.

You can't conduct an argument without resorting to pure propaganda, and that's why you always fail in convincing people. There's no acknowledgement of the merits of the other side whatsoever. It's Peyton Manning is the greatest and Tom Brady is the worst. It's Fox News levels of intelligence.

If you want people to believe that Manning is better than Brady, at least be intellectually honest enough to give Brady some credit, because whether or not you like it, he's a hall of fame quarterback.

I've always admitted he is a hall of fame QB...

and I've always stood by my reasoning why he is a hall of fame QB...

He's a talented guy...the Patriots made him a game manager in 2001...and he did an amazing job...he did exactly what the coaching staff asked him to do...the Patriots won a Super Bowl...he didn't **** up...they probably cheated (how else do they hold the Rams to 3 points through 3 quarters???)...but that's beside the point...the Patriots beat the Rams...Tom Brady was the QB...

Suddenly this young 6th round pick is a Super Bowl winner...he gains all sorts of confidence and swagger...they trade Bledsoe..he's the toast of town...can do no wrong...

Confident guy, lots of swagger...suddenly he becomes TOM BRADY...

Plain and simple...that's what a Super Bowl can do for a guy...

If Tom Brady was the Chiefs 6th round pick...what are the odds he's our starting QB in 2010? What are the odds that he's TOM BRADY...1st ballot hall of famer?

Exactly.

If we won the Peyton Manning lottery...

Would the Chiefs have set the record for most wins in a decade?

How about the Bengals? Browns?

Peyton Manning was destined for greatness no matter what...he's a once in a lifetime QB...best QB of all time...as perfect as we'll ever see...

Tom Brady...1st ballot hall of famer...tripped into the perfect situation...

you can try and deflect all you want but what's true is true

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Hootie

if we're going to paint every playoff loss as a choke...I'm going to reference Tom Brady...plain and simple.

He threw 1 whole TD pass in the entire 2001 postseason.

The guy is just so overrated it sickens me.

how can anyone watch him and watch peyton manning and come to the conclusion that Tom Brady is better?

That is insane.

You may be the most obtuse mother****er here. Over-all, Manning is the better QB. However, Manning has a history of shitting his pants in the play-offs.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's some pretty impressive revisionist history.

"It was obviously just tongue in cheek!"

Even Hootie thinks Hootie went plaidtard yesterday.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Even Hootie thinks Hootie went plaidtard yesterday.

Oh great...here comes Baby Lee with his awesome commentary.

Yeah...

I think it's hilarious.

I was hanging out with friends and was pretty bummed out after the cards game but we all knew the Colts were going to tear the Ravens apart...they had no chance with Flacco...

and yeah...that's the same team that made the Patriots look like clowns...

but Tom Brady has no weapons...so I guess he gets a pass.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Hootie

Oh great...here comes Baby Lee with his awesome commentary.

Yeah...

I think it's hilarious.

I was hanging out with friends and was pretty bummed out after the cards game but we all knew the Colts were going to tear the Ravens apart...they had no chance with Flacco...

and yeah...that's the same team that made the Patriots look like clowns...

but Tom Brady has no weapons...so I guess he gets a pass.

That win yesterday, as with their previous SB, was the sequelae of the Colt's defense stepping up in the postseason, and Peyton playing the game manager role. 20 points is by no means a 'tearing apart'