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Old 01-18-2010, 11:56 PM   #1
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This brings me joy as Turner will only speed up the demise of the dolts.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:59 PM   #2
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This brings me joy as Turner will only speed up the demise of the dolts.
How's that since he got them closer to the Super Bowl than any previous coach since Bobby Ross?

San Diego is a very good team. Yes, they blew it yesterday. But once they finally get over LT and bring in a real running back through the draft this year, get back guys like Castillo and Brown, not to mention Merriman, this team will be a playoff team for years.

If the Chargers had kept Michael Turner instead of LT, they'd have been a Super Bowl team last year.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:43 AM   #3
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How's that since he got them closer to the Super Bowl than any previous coach since Bobby Ross?

San Diego is a very good team. Yes, they blew it yesterday. But once they finally get over LT and bring in a real running back through the draft this year, get back guys like Castillo and Brown, not to mention Merriman, this team will be a playoff team for years.

If the Chargers had kept Michael Turner instead of LT, they'd have been a Super Bowl team last year.
Marty got them to the AFC Divisional Game in 2007. He went 14-2 to get there. Disagree with the Michael Turner comment too, but that's just speculation on both our parts, right? Nothing to argue there.

Okay, maybe my comment was a bit optimistic. Wishful thinking perhaps. But the decision to go for the onside kick seems like a harbinger of bad things to come for Coach Turner. One of those watershed moments of fate that doom a coach's future with his current franchise. Hell, that play may have secured Norv a place on the next NFL Films epic fail highlight reel. We'll see.

But more importantly, a lot of Norv's talent came from Marty's drafts. [Two of the players you mentioned, Castillo and Merriman, were Marty's picks. Not sure who Brown is.] Will they be able to retain that talent? Replenish it? Can Norv win in SD with his own players?

But I do agree with you in that the dolts should be a good team next year as they'll likely retain the core of their talent. Here's the draft breakdown:

Norv

2009

1 Larry English
3 Louis Vasquez
4 Vaughn Martin
4 Tyronne Green
4 Gartrell Johnson
5 Brandon Hughes
6 Kevin Ellison
7 Demetrius Byrd

2008

1 Antoine Cason
3 Jacob Hester
5 Marcus Thomas
6 DeJuan Tribble
7 Corey Clark

2007

1 Craig Davis
2 Eric Weddle
3 Anthony Waters
4 Scott Chandler
5 Legedu Naanee
7 Brandon Siler


Marty

2006

1 Antonio Cromartie
2 Marcus McNeill
3 Charlie Whitehurst
5 Tim Dobbins
6 Jeromey Clary
6 Kurt Smith
7 Chase Page
7 Jimmy Martin

2005

1 Shawne "roidman" Merriman
1 Luis Castillo
2 Vincent Jackson
4 Darren Sproles
5 Wesley Britt
6 Wes Sims
7 Scott Mruczkowski

2004

1 Phillip Rivers
2 Igor Olshansky
3 Nate Kaeding
3 Nick Hardwick
4 Shaun Phillips
5 Dave Ball
5 Michael Turner
6 Ryan Krause
7 Ryon Bingham
7 Shane Olivea
7 Carlos Joseph

2003

1 Sammy Davis
2 Drayton Florence
2 Terrance Kiel
3 Courtney Van Buren
4 Matt Wilhelm
5 Mike Scifres
6 Hanik Milligan
7 Andrew Pinnock

2002

1 Quentin Jammer
2 Toniu Fonoti
2 Reche Caldwell
3 Ben Leber
4 Justin Peelle
5 Terry Charles
6 Matt Anderle
7 Seth Burford
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Old 01-19-2010, 10:24 AM   #4
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Marty got them to the AFC Divisional Game in 2007. He went 14-2 to get there. Disagree with the Michael Turner comment too, but that's just speculation on both our parts, right? Nothing to argue there.

Okay, maybe my comment was a bit optimistic. Wishful thinking perhaps. But the decision to go for the onside kick seems like a harbinger of bad things to come for Coach Turner. One of those watershed moments of fate that doom a coach's future with his current franchise. Hell, that play may have secured Norv a place on the next NFL Films epic fail highlight reel. We'll see.

But more importantly, a lot of Norv's talent came from Marty's drafts. [Two of the players you mentioned, Castillo and Merriman, were Marty's picks. Not sure who Brown is.] Will they be able to retain that talent? Replenish it? Can Norv win in SD with his own players?

But I do agree with you in that the dolts should be a good team next year as they'll likely retain the core of their talent. Here's the draft breakdown:

Norv

2009

1 Larry English
3 Louis Vasquez
4 Vaughn Martin
4 Tyronne Green
4 Gartrell Johnson
5 Brandon Hughes
6 Kevin Ellison
7 Demetrius Byrd

2008

1 Antoine Cason
3 Jacob Hester
5 Marcus Thomas
6 DeJuan Tribble
7 Corey Clark

2007

1 Craig Davis
2 Eric Weddle
3 Anthony Waters
4 Scott Chandler
5 Legedu Naanee
7 Brandon Siler


Marty

2006

1 Antonio Cromartie
2 Marcus McNeill
3 Charlie Whitehurst
5 Tim Dobbins
6 Jeromey Clary
6 Kurt Smith
7 Chase Page
7 Jimmy Martin

2005

1 Shawne "roidman" Merriman
1 Luis Castillo
2 Vincent Jackson
4 Darren Sproles
5 Wesley Britt
6 Wes Sims
7 Scott Mruczkowski

2004

1 Phillip Rivers
2 Igor Olshansky
3 Nate Kaeding
3 Nick Hardwick
4 Shaun Phillips
5 Dave Ball
5 Michael Turner
6 Ryan Krause
7 Ryon Bingham
7 Shane Olivea
7 Carlos Joseph

2003

1 Sammy Davis
2 Drayton Florence
2 Terrance Kiel
3 Courtney Van Buren
4 Matt Wilhelm
5 Mike Scifres
6 Hanik Milligan
7 Andrew Pinnock

2002

1 Quentin Jammer
2 Toniu Fonoti
2 Reche Caldwell
3 Ben Leber
4 Justin Peelle
5 Terry Charles
6 Matt Anderle
7 Seth Burford

Great Post. Marty sure did get some hits in his drafts.
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Old 01-19-2010, 02:25 PM   #5
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Great Post. Marty sure did get some hits in his drafts.
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But more importantly, a lot of Norv's talent came from Marty's drafts.
Marty had absolutely nothing to do with their drafts.

NOTHING.



THAT'S WHY HE WAS FIRED! He tried to take control of personnel from AJ Smith and went directly to the Spanos family.

They chose AJ.

End of story.
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Marty had absolutely nothing to do with their drafts.

NOTHING.



THAT'S WHY HE WAS FIRED! He tried to take control of personnel from AJ Smith and went directly to the Spanos family.

They chose AJ.

End of story.
If that's the case, then it really won't matter who the coach is as long as they keep drafting like that.
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:33 PM   #7
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Marty had absolutely nothing to do with their drafts.

NOTHING.



THAT'S WHY HE WAS FIRED! He tried to take control of personnel from AJ Smith and went directly to the Spanos family.

They chose AJ.

End of story.


Seriously, do you just make this $hit up? Are you drunk? High?

I can't believe anyone would think that a seasoned coach like Marty didn't have input on the drafts. Why don't you call him on his radio show and ask him. You'll find out that you're WRONG. Completely WRONG. Marty had plenty of input on the drafts.

Yeah, Marty had a bad relationship with AJ, but it wasn't about Marty trying to take control of personnel. You have your facts WRONG...AGAIN. It was more about Marty's staff (or loss of) & the hiring of his brother. Here's some credible info for you:

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/spo...1n13marty.html

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uni...s18martys.html

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To borrow one of your phrases: JFC
NOTHING that you posted disputes the fact that Marty wanted to take control of personnel.

NOTHING.

Furthermore, Marty wasn't hired by AJ Smith. He was hired by John Butler, who died. AJ was promoted and didn't like or get along with Marty.

You need to shut the **** up.

Oh and BTW, **** YOU.

Do you live in SoCal? Did you listen to the radio and TV reports at the time? Do you know anyone in the Spanos family?

**** OFF, ****BAG
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But more importantly, a lot of Norv's talent came from Marty's drafts. [Two of the players you mentioned, Castillo and Merriman, were Marty's picks. Not sure who Brown is.] Will they be able to retain that talent? Replenish it? Can Norv win in SD with his own players?
Farty and Norf have had very little say in who the team drafts. It's all AJ Smif.
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