Mike Mayock comments on top 3 QBs. - Page 5

Chiefnj2 · 01-21-2010, 12:38 PM

Out of the 3 top qb's comming into the draft who can you see as the biggest RISK pick Bradford,Mccoy,Clausen?

Mike Mayock, NFL Network
Hey Fred, interesting question. I like Jimmy Clausen, but I see him as the biggest risk. Even though he comes out of a pro-style offense. Bradford is very, very solid. And I think McCoy is a little bit mroe of a developmental play, but easily the best athlete of the three. Clausen, for me, needs to be more consistent in the pocket and needs to make more consistent throws.

So, Mayock thinks Clausen is a bigger risk/bust potential than Bradford and McCoy.

Mecca · 01-21-2010, 08:13 PM

We'll see, as the year went on he looked to regress.

And for the record I like Jacory Harris provided I was assured he could gain some weight.

**the Talking Can** · 01-21-2010, 08:22 PM

i will pray every year of my life for the chiefs to draft a QB....next year will be no different

that said, Green is a ****ing stud...unreal hands and body control...Jones has been handicapped by Bama's offense and shitty QB, but what I've seen makes me want Green over Jones...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-21-2010, 08:23 PM

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Any QB that wants to prepare himself for the NFL and possibly be a #1 pick should probably cross off every team that runs the spread.

He's the exception to the rule. He's Ben Roethlisberger in this case.

**DeezNutz** · 01-21-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

We'll see, as the year went on he looked to regress.

And for the record I like Jacory Harris provided I was assured he could gain some weight.

Example of someone who has bulked up as considerably as Harris will need to do?

Honestly, he needs to put on, at minimum, 30 pounds of muscle mass. If he doesn't start next season at 205-210, I wouldn't even begin to think about drafting him.

Mecca · 01-21-2010, 08:25 PM

Eh 20lbs would be ok, if he's 195 he could play at 215.

**DeezNutz** · 01-21-2010, 08:26 PM

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Eh 20lbs would be ok, if he's 195 he could play at 215.

6'4" 215 is too small.

Warner isn't a big dude, and he's listed at 6'2" 214.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-21-2010, 08:27 PM

Ideally, the Chiefs have the following run of picks (IMO)

2010: Berry
2011: Jones, Green, Floyd
2012: Gabbert

And FWIW, I'd probably take Tony Pike or Jevan Snead over Colt McCoy.

**DeezNutz** · 01-21-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ideally, the Chiefs have the following run of picks (IMO)

2010: Berry
2011: Jones, Green, Floyd
2012: Gabbert

And FWIW, I'd probably take Tony Pike or Jevan Snead over Colt McCoy.

I understand you're posting an "ideal" scenario, which would be a ****ing wet dream to get Green and then Gabbert, but do think that dude is coming out next year?

And, FTR, I wouldn't even waste a draft pick on McCoy. Because it will absolutely be a wasted pick.

Mecca · 01-21-2010, 08:28 PM

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6'4" 215 is too small.

Warner isn't a big dude, and he's listed at 6'2" 214.

He's probably never going to be overly thick, he just needs to not be stick thin.

**DeezNutz** · 01-21-2010, 08:31 PM

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He's probably never going to be overly thick, he just needs to not be stick thin.

Granted, everyone is different, but I think the hit that knocked Bradford out against BYU is a perfect illustration of why you really have to think long and hard about drafting a QB who isn't physically stout enough.

People will dispute this, but it wasn't an uncommon hit for an NFL game. Dude landed on top of him. Great. Big ****ing deal. If he wasn't so small, he'd be getting off the turf and continuing to play.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-21-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I understand you're posting an "ideal" scenario, which would be a ****ing wet dream to get Green and then Gabbert, but do think that dude is coming out next year?

And, FTR, I wouldn't even waste a draft pick on McCoy. Because it will absolutely be a wasted pick.

I have no idea about Gabbert. His brother going to Mizzou raises a couple of questions.

Did he do so to be with Blaine?
Did he do it b/c he thought he could get a chance to start in 2011?
Can he legitimately beat out James Franklin? (doubt it)
Will he move to WR? (possibly)

I understand Mecca's argument because I doubt he thinks that Gabbert is a franchise QB and is totally sold on Green being a top 5 NFL WR.

That said, I'm in agreement with you, because I do see him as a franchise QB, and the golden rule of the NFL draft is that you never, ever pass on a franchise QB if you don't have one.

How many times has that rule burned us?

NEVAR FORGET!!

Mecca · 01-21-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Granted, everyone is different, but I think the hit that knocked Bradford out against BYU is a perfect illustration of why you really have to think long and hard about drafting a QB who isn't physically stout enough.

People will dispute this, but it wasn't an uncommon hit for an NFL game. Dude landed on top of him. Great. Big ****ing deal. If he wasn't so small, he'd be getting off the turf and continuing to play.

The difference is over the course of the year, Harris got hit and continued to get up and play.

**DeezNutz** · 01-21-2010, 08:37 PM

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The difference is over the course of the year, Harris got hit and continued to get up and play.

Like I said, he could definitely be the exception for a number of different reasons. But when I see 6'4", I need to be convinced why I shouldn't also see, at least, 225, ideally 235-240.

Mecca · 01-21-2010, 08:39 PM

Watch a couple of the hits he takes here, one of the first ones is in the beginning highlight package they show, it probably would have killed Bradford.

**DeezNutz** · 01-21-2010, 08:43 PM

His delivery is similar to Rivers', that 3/4-arm stuff. Throws a much better deep ball than Cassel.

Where do you think this kid is going, if he comes out?

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