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Old 01-24-2010, 05:22 PM  
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:51 PM   #181
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No disrespect, but Eldonk wasn't better than Bradshaw and the facts prove it.

Who knows how many super bowls he could have won if he had played four more seasons like Eldonk did.
Yeah, Elway couldn't have done anything with the best defense, O-line and WR corps in football for almost a decade, Franco Harris wouldn't have helped him any either.

Gimme a break.
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:55 PM   #182
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I broke it down and the facts prove it.

You take the 12 seasons that Terry played and compare them the the 1st twelve that eldonk played and Terry's stats kill him.

You can then add the two super bowl wins that eldonk got in his 15th and 16 season and still come up short.
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:58 PM   #183
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I broke it down and the facts prove it.

You take the 12 seasons that Terry played and compare them the the 1st twelve that eldonk played and Terry's stats kill him.

You can then add the two super bowl wins that eldonk got in his 15th and 16 season and still come up short.
You really are too stupid for words.

You can't compare stats from two entirely different situations.
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Old 01-24-2010, 11:00 PM   #184
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I broke it down and the facts prove it.

You take the 12 seasons that Terry played and compare them the the 1st twelve that eldonk played and Terry's stats kill him. You can then add the two super bowl wins and still come up short.
I'm fairly certain that doesn't even begin to address my point.

Terry Bradshaw had the best collection of talent around him of time of any QB in NFL history (in relation to their peers).

The late 80's Montana teams could stake a claim, but only for a few years.

The 70's Steelers were absolutely incredible.

FFS, Bradshaw made all of three pro-bowls. While it's not dispositive, it says a ton about how he was viewed in relation to his peers (Elway, on the other hand, made 9 and played in an era with arguably the deepest collection of elite QB talent in history).

Terry Bradshaw is closer to Steve McNair than he is to John Elway.
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Old 01-24-2010, 11:03 PM   #185
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I don't think you can use the pro bowl as a legit measure of how good someone is.

Maybe we could if it was only voted on by the nfl coaches.
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Old 01-24-2010, 11:10 PM   #186
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I don't think you can use the pro bowl as a legit measure of how good someone is.

Maybe we could if it was only voted on by the nfl coaches.
Like I said, it's not dispositive, only instructive.

However, it's important to note that the Steelers were the most popular team in the AFC during Bradshaw's era. If anything, Bradshaw would've gotten an additional benefit by the pro-bowl selection process.

Better still, unlike any raw statistical comparison, it considers surrounding talent and respective eras.

A brick doesn't need to be a wall. The Pro-Bowl disparity isn't the end of the discussion, it's just another brick in a very VERY large wall.

Elway is a far better QB than Bradshaw was. Ultimately I think I've probably put too much effort into defending this point - nobody with an ounce of objectivity would ever believe otherwise.
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The stats of both players over the first 156 games they played in say that Bradshaw was better.

Elway had 450 yards more rushing but Terry scored more points and had less fumbles.

Edge to Bradshaw.
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The stats of both players over the first 156 games they played in say that Bradshaw was better.

Elway had 450 yards more rushing but Terry scored more points and had less fumbles.

Edge to Bradshaw.
I was right -- I put entirely too much effort into defending the point. That large wall I alluded to in my previous post? I'm pretty sure I'm currently talking to it.

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Old 01-24-2010, 11:22 PM   #189
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Elway tossed the rock a thousand more times that Terry did, but had less touchdowns.

Plus he had more than 500 incompletions.
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Old 01-24-2010, 11:24 PM   #190
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Did you say something in your post that I missed?

I agree, he was more popular with the fans.

BFD.
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it considers surrounding talent and respective eras.

That brings up the myth that Elway carried the teams the three Super Bowl losses.

He didn't.

He had a top ten defense in each season.

I contend that since the offense was rankled 15th in two of the seasons that they carried him.
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You didn't read what I posted did you?

Go back and read it again before you start crying.
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Terry Bradshaw is the guy who benefited from being on great teams. John Elway is the guy who was his team.

I'm sure throwing to Vance Johnson and those other scrubs the 3 amigo's compares to the guys Bradshaw had. When Elway was finally given other talent they won.

Anyone with a pair of eyes knows this, arguing it just makes you look like a reerun that doesn't like Elway because he played for Denver.
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Peyton Manning is by far, the greatest ever.

Peyton and Walsh would have completely owned the 80's and 90's.

Hell, Bill Walsh may even still be alive to win more Super Bowls.
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