Football Peyton Manning

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-09-2010, 07:28 PM

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Hootie has displayed a truly appalling amount of relativism in this, and basically every thread, in which he's proven wrong time and time again.

Manning is the GOAT of all time because he makes Marvin Harrison into one of the most productive receivers ever. Eddie Kennison would have had just as good of a career.

Tonight? Manning's downfall is blamed on Reggie Wayne.

Collie and Garcon mean nothing, he can do it with anyone, then Brees has a better supporting cast.

Manning only made one bad throw the entire game?

Well, what about that overthrow on 3rd down on the first drive that cost them a chance to get 7?

What about that bad decision on the out route on the game changing drive before he thew a ball that was almost intercepted by Jenkins?

Let's also remember that the Colts had twice as many yards rushing as the Saints, the same number of rushing attempts, so their running game was far more productive.

The Colts defense also gave Manning a turnover on the 2 yard line, basically saving him from having to score another 7 points.

Manning is the offensive coordinator and coach of the team, he calls all the plays and waves the punt team off the field...unless there are two minutes left in the half and then all of a sudden all calls go directly through Caldwell, who's never called an offensive play in his life.

The entire game flipped on the Garcon drop, but not the Colston drop.

What an embarrassing display.

Yeah, Manning played well last night. But he's the most important player on the team, and the other guy's most important player outperformed him, despite having no help from a running game. Manning also faced absolutely no pressure last night, save for one play.

And he threw a pick six.

Drew Brees was better when he had to be better.

Just like Tom Brady was better than Manning when he had to be.

Manning is an all-time great QB, but the fact remains that Montana won 4 SBs, including making a longer drive that Manning couldn't with half the time, and every time Manning has faced a truly top shelf QB in the playoffs, his record is:

1-6

Brady: 1-2
Brees: 0-1
Rivers: 0-2
McNair ('99 version): 0-1

Meanwhile, his wins in the playoffs have come against the following:

Trent Green: 2-0
McNair (washed up '06 version)
Rex Grossman
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez (rookie)
Jake Plummer: 2-0

(We won't bash him for losses against Jay Fiedler, Chad Pennington, or 2nd year game manager Ben Roethlisberger here)

Manning is far more Wilt Chamberlain than he is Bill Russell.

I'm just going to keep posting this, so Hootie can continue to dodge it.

KCrockaholic · 02-09-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm just going to keep posting this, so Hootie can continue to dodge it.

I was just about to look for that post.

Hootie · 02-09-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm just going to keep posting this, so Hootie can continue to dodge it.

what am I dodging?

If Joe Montana was a Saint his entire career...

Would he have been 4-0 in the Super Bowl?

Would he have played in a Super Bowl?

ChiefsCountry · 02-09-2010, 07:34 PM

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what am I dodging?

If Joe Montana was a Saint his entire career...

Would he have been 4-0 in the Super Bowl?

Would he have played in a Super Bowl?

You never saw the 1993 Chiefs did you? If you did you wouldn't be saying stupid shit like this.

ChiefsCountry · 02-09-2010, 09:53 PM

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You never saw the 1993 Chiefs did you? If you did you wouldn't be saying stupid shit like this.

Still no answer I see

Hootie · 02-09-2010, 10:29 PM

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Still no answer I see

I was 8

ChiefsCountry · 02-09-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I was 8

I was 9, but I remember Joe Montana taking an average team and almost leading them to the Super Bowl. If Joe doesn't get knocked, more than likely the Chiefs win the Super Bowl that year with a cast on offense that would make most teams laugh.

That is why Montana is the greatest ever. Manning couldn't do that. Elway could well, Broncos had some shitty teams that he made great. Manning is a hell of player best in today's game, great fantasy QB as well but he is not the greatest QB of time.

Hootie · 02-10-2010, 12:16 AM

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I was 9, but I remember Joe Montana taking an average team and almost leading them to the Super Bowl. If Joe doesn't get knocked, more than likely the Chiefs win the Super Bowl that year with a cast on offense that would make most teams laugh.

That is why Montana is the greatest ever. Manning couldn't do that. Elway could well, Broncos had some shitty teams that he made great. Manning is a hell of player best in today's game, great fantasy QB as well but he is not the greatest QB of time.

yeah I'm sure you remember in vivid detail how amazing Joe Montana was for the Chiefs that year when you were 9 years old...

JFC

At least I'm real about things.

Hootie · 02-09-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm just going to keep posting this, so Hootie can continue to dodge it.

and you're bashing him for losses against Rivers and Roethlisberger where he played well enough to win...

and you're bashing him for a '99 loss where he turned a 3-13 team coming off his rookie season where he turned it around to 13-3 before losing to a BETTER Titans team...

I mean come the **** on...everyone knew they were overachievers that year...they lost 19-16...nice reference.

AND

The only time Peyton has played bad in the postseason was 2003 and 2004 at Foxborro against a better AND heavily favored Patriots team...

And both games the Patriots DEFENSE won that game...as much as Peyton lost it...AND Brady didn't do anything but manage those games...he was nothing special...

The Patriots D on the other hand...

Such a ****ing joke that Brady gets all the credit.

**DeezNutz** · 02-09-2010, 07:38 PM

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and you're bashing him for losses against Rivers and Roethlisberger where he played well enough to win...

and you're bashing him for a '99 loss where he turned a 3-13 team coming off his rookie season where he turned it around to 13-3 before losing to a BETTER Titans team...

I mean come the **** on...everyone knew they were overachievers that year...they lost 19-16...nice reference.

AND

The only time Peyton has played bad in the postseason was 2003 and 2004 at Foxborro against a better AND heavily favored Patriots team...

And both games the Patriots DEFENSE won that game...as much as Peyton lost it...AND Brady didn't do anything but manage those games...he was nothing special...

The Patriots D on the other hand...

Such a ****ing joke that Brady gets all the credit.

Throwing a game-ending pick goes a long way toward saying a QB played poorly.

And, offensively, the Colts were inefficient after the 1st.

Mastashake · 02-09-2010, 07:39 PM

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Throwing a game-ending pick goes a long way toward saying a QB played poorly.

And, offensively, the Colts were inefficient after the 1st.

Peyton Manning : Super Bowl :: Brett Favre : NFC Championship Game

Hootie · 02-09-2010, 07:43 PM

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Throwing a game-ending pick goes a long way toward saying a QB played poorly.

And, offensively, the Colts were inefficient after the 1st.

the Colts were inefficient after the 1st?

Two drives in the 2nd quarter...

The first one ended with a Pierre Garcon momentum killing, game-changing drop on a beautiful 3rd down pass by Manning (that not many other guys could do)...

The second series they were pinned at their own 2...

Wow, how inefficient!

The third quarter I believe they had one and a half drives that resulted in a TD and an end of the quarter change...

Which then resulted in a missed field goal in the 4th quarter...

Which then led to a drive where Manning drove all the way down the field and then threw a pick...

But somehow they were losing...

They punted twice...

Both times in the 2nd quarter...

One because Garcon n00bed himself...the other because they were pinned inside the 2 and were trying to take the game to halftime (stupidly enough)...

I'm telling you..

If Garcon doesn't drop that pass...that game was over.

And I don't care about the Colston drop because it's an entirely different scenario and it happened BEFORE the Garcon drop...

Sure...if Colston catches that pass and the Saints go up 7-3...the entire game would have been different, I know.

Just like had Garcon caught that ball when the Colts had the momentum...13-0 or even 17-0...different game. For sure.

DBOSHO · 02-09-2010, 07:48 PM

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the Colts were inefficient after the 1st?

Two drives in the 2nd quarter...

The first one ended with a Pierre Garcon momentum killing, game-changing drop on a beautiful 3rd down pass by Manning (that not many other guys could do)...

The second series they were pinned at their own 2...

Wow, how inefficient!

The third quarter I believe they had one and a half drives that resulted in a TD and an end of the quarter change...

Which then resulted in a missed field goal in the 4th quarter...

Which then led to a drive where Manning drove all the way down the field and then threw a pick...

But somehow they were losing...

They punted twice...

Both times in the 2nd quarter...

One because Garcon n00bed himself...the other because they were pinned inside the 2 and were trying to take the game to halftime (stupidly enough)...

I'm telling you..

If Garcon doesn't drop that pass...that game was over.

And I don't care about the Colston drop because it's an entirely different scenario and it happened BEFORE the Garcon drop...

Sure...if Colston catches that pass and the Saints go up 7-3...the entire game would have been different, I know.

Just like had Garcon caught that ball when the Colts had the momentum...13-0 or even 17-0...different game. For sure.

Yeah that 15yd quick slant to garcon was a beaut that noone else could throw. So do we automatically discount the wide open colston drop that killed the saints momentum?

Its really humorous the lengths you go to to defend this guy.

Hootie · 02-09-2010, 07:50 PM

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Yeah that 15yd quick slant to garcon was a beaut that noone else could throw. So do we automatically discount the wide open colston drop that killed the saints momentum?

Its really humorous the lengths you go to to defend this guy.

yeah it was a 15 yard quick slant

he threw it off of his back foot with three guys in his face...

I seriously think a lot of people don't even watch the ****ing games.

No...

If Colston catches that ball...things are different, sure...

but that happened before this drop so it's ****ing irrelevant...

does that make sense?

Jesus CHRIST.

Yeah...we could argue that that drop killed their chances right away had the Colts gone up 17-0 if Garcon catches that ball..

For sure.

You could say...

"Man that Colston drop really put the Saints in a spot right away where they just couldn't get back in that game!"

And I'd say you were probably on to something.

DBOSHO · 02-09-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

yeah it was a 15 yard quick slant

he threw it off of his back foot with three guys in his face...

I seriously think a lot of people don't even watch the ****ing games.

No...

If Colston catches that ball...things are different, sure...

but that happened before this drop so it's ****ing irrelevant...

does that make sense?

Jesus CHRIST.

Yeah...we could argue that that drop killed their chances right away had the Colts gone up 17-0 if Garcon catches that ball..

For sure.

You could say...

"Man that Colston drop really put the Saints in a spot right away where they just couldn't get back in that game!"

And I'd say you were probably on to something.

the colts were up 10-0. Good teams overcome stuff like that. Get over that drop.