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[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

In all honesty, he should have been sitting this year in the first place. If you go back and look at all the guys wanting to pick Sanchez, most of them wanted to draft him and sit him for a year behind a vet.

He wasn't ready to be a starter like most rookie QB's aren't, but he did show his potential to be very good.

He had moments like all QB's do where they look good and I'm not saying he won't be good. But you can't look at what he did this year and say "Yeah, we F'd up for not taking this kid". Maybe in a few years you can say that, but not based of his total body of work for the 2009 season.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

He had moments like all QB's do where they look good and I'm not saying he won't be good. But you can't look at what he did this year and say "Yeah, we F'd up for not taking this kid". Maybe in a few years you can say that, but not based of his total body of work for the 2009 season.

Don't get me wrong, I agree you can't base that off of his season. Yet you can base it off of his potential that he's had all along, his ceiling is WAY higher than Cassel's yet we went with Cassel because he could manage a top 5 offense.

Cue knowshit to quote some out of work scout's twitter page to argue for him.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Don't get me wrong, I agree you can't base that off of his season. Yet you can base it off of his potential that he's had all along, his ceiling is WAY higher than Cassel's yet we went with Cassel because he could manage a top 5 offense.

Cue knowshit to quote some out of work scout's twitter page to argue for him.

I don't think you can make that assumption yet. Sanchez has much more to work with then Cassel. Surround Cassell with better talent then we can determine what his ceiling is. We forget how bad Trent was until they got some talent around him.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Don't get me wrong, I agree you can't base that off of his season. Yet you can base it off of his potential that he's had all along, his ceiling is WAY higher than Cassel's yet we went with Cassel because he could manage a top 5 offense.

They went with Cassel because he was a known commodity. Sanchez was not. I don't think that Cassel is the end all, be all, and if a top flight QB were to be available to the Chiefs in the draft, I can't imagine them passing on one, but I don't believe that Sanchez was viewed as that type of guy. (And I like Mark a lot as a QB. He showed a lot of moxy and did progress as the season went on. He did have a lot of WTF? moments though. Typical rookie QB season.) Sanchez would have been broken, mentally, physically, if he started for KC last season, and there was no way in hell that Thigpen was going to be our starter.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Chiefs start stockpiling picks in an effort to make a run at a player like Gabbert in a year or two.

Personally, I wouldn't mind it one bit if the Chiefs took their first rounder and one of their seconds and a fifth to move up to get Suh at #1 and traded Dorsey to one of those teams wanting/needing a 4-3 DT (Tampa, Detroit, Tennessee, etc.) and get that second and fifth back via that trade.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Personally, I wouldn't mind it one bit if the Chiefs took their first rounder and one of their seconds and a fifth to move up to get Suh at #1 and traded Dorsey to one of those teams wanting/needing a 4-3 DT (Tampa, Detroit, Tennessee, etc.) and get that second and fifth back via that trade.

Yeah, it's always wise to invest a top 5 pick in a player and then 2 years later get back a 2nd rounder and a 5th.

I suppose by your fool-proof evaluation method that Dorsey somehow didn't make any progress either last year, right?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yeah, it's always wise to invest a top 5 pick in a player and then 2 years later get back a 2nd rounder and a 5th.

That's the nature of devaluation in the NFL. If you aren't putting up Jared Allen like numbers, there isn't a team in the league, no matter how desperate they are for a DT (e.g., Detroit), that is going to give the Chiefs a first round draft pick back for Dorsey. I wish it was the case, but because he's playing out of position, he hasn't been able to produce on the field to the level that he is probably capable of. A second and a fourth/fifth is about all you'd be able to get for him at this point I would imagine.

I suppose by your fool-proof evaluation method that Dorsey somehow didn't make any progress either last year, right?

I think he made progress as the season wore on, but it wasn't anything to write home about. I think he does have good value to certain teams, and if you could move up into the #1 spot, pick up Suh (who has everything to be a dominant force at the five tech DE position), trade Dorsey and get those picks back that it took to move up to the one spot, I'd do it. Easily. At that point, you could go with a Cam Thomas or Kade Weston at the NT spot later in the draft as Suh and Jackson as bookend DE's would be a load.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Personally, I wouldn't mind it one bit if the Chiefs took their first rounder and one of their seconds and a fifth to move up to get Suh at #1 and traded Dorsey to one of those teams wanting/needing a 4-3 DT (Tampa, Detroit, Tennessee, etc.) and get that second and fifth back via that trade.

Dorsey was the best DE on the team last year. As far as I am concerned KC is done with the DE position. They need to let Magee and Jackson develop. Gilberry did fairly well in relief duty. That's it. Dorsey, Jackson, Magee and Gilberry. Develop them and start to focus on other positions.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

They went with Cassel because he was a known commodity. Sanchez was not. I don't think that Cassel is the end all, be all, and if a top flight QB were to be available to the Chiefs in the draft, I can't imagine them passing on one, but I don't believe that Sanchez was viewed as that type of guy. (And I like Mark a lot as a QB. He showed a lot of moxy and did progress as the season went on. He did have a lot of WTF? moments though. Typical rookie QB season.) Sanchez would have been broken, mentally, physically, if he started for KC last season, and there was no way in hell that Thigpen was going to be our starter.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Chiefs start stockpiling picks in an effort to make a run at a player like Gabbert in a year or two.

Personally, I wouldn't mind it one bit if the Chiefs took their first rounder and one of their seconds and a fifth to move up to get Suh at #1 and traded Dorsey to one of those teams wanting/needing a 4-3 DT (Tampa, Detroit, Tennessee, etc.) and get that second and fifth back via that trade.

So you'd rather just go with the known commodity over potential at the most important position on the field, and then the next year trade away your own known (improving) commodity to trade for potential at a far less important position like 5-tech? I believe in the process you'd be paying 2 signing bonuses as well, Dorsey's would need to be paid off and then you'd owe Suh a monster contract. Also, before you say that Suh is an elite talent remember that Dorsey was considered the best player in his draft and is starting to play like it.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

So you'd rather just go with the known commodity over potential at the most important position on the field, and then the next year trade away your own known (improving) commodity to trade for potential at a far less important position like 5-tech? I believe in the process you'd be paying 2 signing bonuses as well, Dorsey's would need to be paid off and then you'd owe Suh a monster contract. Also, before you say that Suh is an elite talent remember that Dorsey was considered the best player in his draft and is starting to play like it.

I'm not saying I wouldn't have drafted Sanchez - I would have. If I were the GM, I would have let Brodie have another go at the QB spot, picked up another guy (such as Guitterez) and drafted Sanchez for the QBOTF. I like the guy a lot and think he's got a good future. I think that the Hasselbeck comparison was a good one. He's a guy that you can build a team around and be successful with. I do understand why the Chiefs traded for Cassel though. (I think that they screwed the pooch by not going after Olshansky, but that's neither here nor there at this point.)

I also think that Suh has every single possible tool to be the dominant force at a 3-4 five tech DE position. The guy has the length, the strength, the agility and the instincts to be the prototype for the position.

And Dorsey is not playing like the best player in his draft. Not even close. He made improvements, but he was out of position a lot this past year and seemed at times to get lost on plays, especially when they ran at him on the outside edge. He's got a ways to go before anyone is going to consider him a decent DE. I think that the general consensus is that he'd be a much better 4-3 DT than anything. The guy just looks out of position and played like it more often than not.

I was thrilled when we drafted Dorsey. However, we changed coaches the next season and changed schemes. Haley has been given the support cast and looks to be the long term guy as the Chiefs head coach. Crennel and Weiss could retire out of the AC spots in Kansas City. It looks like we are set in terms of the systems they want to run, and as a fan, I want the best possible player for our team, and Suh represents that in this draft. Bookend him with Jackson and you are looking at the makings of a dominant 3-4 defense. I can't look at Dorsey and make that same claim. (Though, if I were Atlanta, Tennessee, Minnesota, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, etc., I'd be actively looking at the possibility of acquiring a guy like Mr. Dorsey.)