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Quesadilla Joe · 02-12-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

well, um, yeah....Sanchez would have been the answer..but we passed...

I don't see Sanchez being a Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or a 2007 Tom Brady or anything when he fully develops. Their will be QB's of Sanchez's ceiling in every single draft. I don't think you missed out on a once in a decade QB or anything.

BigCatDaddy · 02-12-2010, 11:17 AM

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I don't see Sanchez being a Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or a 2007 Tom Brady or anything when he fully develops. Their will be QB's of Sanchez's ceiling in every single draft. I don't think you missed out on a once in a decade QB or anything.

I'm going to have to rethink my position because I agree with Knowshit again. I'm seeing Sanchez as probably someone that will be in the mid 80's passer rating for his prime years, about 3000 yards throwing, 60% comp, 25-15 TD/INT ratio, maybe have a great year and get to a probowl or two. I'm bascially seeing Matt Hasselbeck.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 02-12-2010, 11:27 AM

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I'm going to have to rethink my position because I agree with Knowshit again. I'm seeing Sanchez as probably someone that will be in the mid 80's passer rating for his prime years, about 3000 yards throwing, 60% comp, 25-15 TD/INT ratio, maybe have a great year and get to a probowl or two. I'm bascially seeing Matt Hasselbeck.

Really I believe he'll be a good QB, with stats that are a little better than you went with, he probably won't have elite Manning/Brady numbers. I do think we screwed up by not taking him because I believe he will be clutch. He seems to play his best in big games. Once he develops, I think he'll look a lot like Manning/Brady in the 4th quarter (minus this past SB). I know it's just my opinion right now, but I truly see him as a pressure situation QB.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-12-2010, 11:57 AM

It's amazing to me how much people here hate young QB's, and how they expect them all to be perfect straight out of college.

If you can't see the upside in someone like Stafford, Sanchez or Clausen, then frankly, you have no idea what you're looking at/for.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-12-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's amazing to me how much people here hate young QB's, and how they expect them all to be perfect straight out of college.

If you can't see the upside in someone like Stafford, Sanchez or Clausen, then frankly, you have no idea what you're looking at/for.

It'd be more amazing if most people on here weren't ****ing stupid.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-12-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It'd be more amazing if most people on here weren't ****ing stupid.

Good point.

BigCatDaddy · 02-12-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's amazing to me how much people here hate young QB's, and how they expect them all to be perfect straight out of college.

If you can't see the upside in someone like Stafford, Sanchez or Clausen, then frankly, you have no idea what you're looking at/for.

Who hates young QBs? Was Sanchez even average, let alone close to perfect?

I can see some upside, but Sanchez was dropped into the perfect situation and failed. So I don't see how anyone can already say we made a mistake. Maybe he proves down the road that we made a mistake, but not right now. He had top defense and top running game and while he flashed at time still had a horrible passer rating on a good team. He was 28th in the league in passer rating, the next worst QB in passer rating for a team that made the playoffs was 16th (Palmer). The Jets won inspite of Sanchez, not because of him. Again not saying he won't improve, but you can't say right now that it was a mistake to pass on him, but you can't say it was a smart move at this time either.

Saccopoo · 02-12-2010, 02:58 PM

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Who hates young QBs? Was Sanchez even average, let alone close to perfect?

I can see some upside, but Sanchez was dropped into the perfect situation and failed. So I don't see how anyone can already say we made a mistake. Maybe he proves down the road that we made a mistake, but not right now. He had top defense and top running game and while he flashed at time still had a horrible passer rating on a good team. He was 28th in the league in passer rating, the next worst QB in passer rating for a team that made the playoffs was 16th (Palmer). The Jets won inspite of Sanchez, not because of him. Again not saying he won't improve, but you can't say right now that it was a mistake to pass on him, but you can't say it was a smart move at this time either.

There is a bit of Sanchizination around here. I like him and think he's going to be a good quarterback. He made some really terrific reads and throws, but he also made some of the dumbest ass plays I've seen from a QB this year. Rookie. It takes several years though and I don't think that the Chiefs got anything different in Cassel other than a bit more maturity and understanding of the professional game. That was the one thing that Cassel had in his favor over picking a guy like Sanchez in the draft. Cassel had watched game film, practiced against NFL defenses, learned under Brady, and had a year of starting experience in the NFL. Sanchez was an unknown. Cassel was a known commodity. Is he a "franchise" quarterback. I don't know. There were too many questions stemming from this past season (horrible offensive line, changing the play calling/scheme at the start of the season, Larry Johnson, wide receivers who led the league in dropped passes, tight ends who couldn't run routes, etc.) to make any type of judgement call on Cassel. I'm pretty positive that he has done better with a whole lot less when comparing him with Sanchez.

With Weiss as the OC, and a full offseason of a set offensive scheme, I think that we'll see marked improvements in Cassel's game.

The problem that most people have around here is that they want "their guy" at the key positions. Cassel wasn't picked by the Chiefs. He was traded for. I think that's why there is such a support group for Albert and Dorsey. They were Chief's first round picks. They've got to be better because we picked them. I just don't think that either really translate to what Haley and Weiss and Crennel want to do in this offense. I hope they all work out though. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

**DeezNutz** · 02-12-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

There is a bit of Sanchizination around here. I like him and think he's going to be a good quarterback. He made some really terrific reads and throws, but he also made some of the dumbest ass plays I've seen from a QB this year. Rookie. It takes several years though and I don't think that the Chiefs got anything different in Cassel other than a bit more maturity and understanding of the professional game. That was the one thing that Cassel had in his favor over picking a guy like Sanchez in the draft. Cassel had watched game film, practiced against NFL defenses, learned under Brady, and had a year of starting experience in the NFL. Sanchez was an unknown. Cassel was a known commodity. Is he a "franchise" quarterback. I don't know. There were too many questions stemming from this past season (horrible offensive line, changing the play calling/scheme at the start of the season, Larry Johnson, wide receivers who led the league in dropped passes, tight ends who couldn't run routes, etc.) to make any type of judgement call on Cassel. I'm pretty positive that he has done better with a whole lot less when comparing him with Sanchez.

With Weiss as the OC, and a full offseason of a set offensive scheme, I think that we'll see marked improvements in Cassel's game.

The problem that most people have around here is that they want "their guy" at the key positions. Cassel wasn't picked by the Chiefs. He was traded for. I think that's why there is such a support group for Albert and Dorsey. They were Chief's first round picks. They've got to be better because we picked them. I just don't think that either really translate to what Haley and Weiss and Crennel want to do in this offense. I hope they all work out though. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Neither of these descriptions are fitting for our "franchise" QB.

He is a completely worthless bag of ****ing shit.

**the Talking Can** · 02-12-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Who hates young QBs? Was Sanchez even average, let alone close to perfect?

I can see some upside, but Sanchez was dropped into the perfect situation and failed.

sorry, man, but that is preposterous....his performance against the colts alone validates his rookie season....

Quesadilla Joe · 02-12-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's amazing to me how much people here hate young QB's, and how they expect them all to be perfect straight out of college.

If you can't see the upside in someone like Stafford, Sanchez or Clausen, then frankly, you have no idea what you're looking at/for.

I don't see Peyton Manning in Sanchez or Stafford. Personally, I think Stafford has the most upside out of the three and I think Clausen is a douche like Jay Cutler.

Sanchez could turn out to be a decent QB, but I just don't think he is some can't miss QB prospect.

**the Talking Can** · 02-12-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I don't see Sanchez being a Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or a 2007 Tom Brady or anything when he fully develops. Their will be QB's of Sanchez's ceiling in every single draft. I don't think you missed out on a once in a decade QB or anything.

yeah

...but you're a dumbass....

Quesadilla Joe · 02-12-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah

...but you're a dumbass....

At least I have an opinion of my own... Unlike some people.....

**the Talking Can** · 02-12-2010, 03:48 PM

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At least I have an opinion of my own... Unlike some people.....

you don't have opinions....you have fanboy-idiot-gasms....you're literally the most embarrassingly stupid poster on this board, top 5 all time...

Quesadilla Joe · 02-12-2010, 03:49 PM

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you don't have opinions....you have fanboy-idiot-gasms....you're literally the most embarrassingly stupid poster on this board, top 5 all time...

What does Mark Sanchez have to do with the Broncos?

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