If Berry is there and we pass

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

The people who give the "someone later could end up being better" are just flat our reeruned. Thats like saying we should think about drafting a 7th round prospect first because well he could end up being better. You draft players who have the talent and a better chance of being better. Sure Okung could end up being good in the right situation, but hes physically not worth the pick like someone like Berry is.

So are you going to answer the question? I tell what what I'll just keep it to the first 20 picks. Will someone in the top 20 drafted after Berry have a better NFL career? Don't give me the crock of shit that it matters how good the team is. Jared Allen and Tony Gonzalez both still shined on a sorry ass Chiefs team. A good player looks like a good player on any team.

RustShack · 02-13-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So are you going to answer the question? I tell what what I'll just keep it to the first 20 picks. Will someone in the top 20 drafted after Berry have a better NFL career? Don't give me the crock of shit that it matters how good the team is. Jared Allen and Tony Gonzalez both still shined on a sorry ass Chiefs team. A good player looks like a good player on any team.

Yeah players drafted after Berry will be better. But if those same players went to a bad situation like Berry they would be worse.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Yeah players drafted after Berry will be better. But if those same players went to a bad situation like Berry they would be worse.

You just don't get it do you? Good players are still good on bad teams. Calvin Johnson still puts up numbers on a shit team, Jared Allen still gets 15 sacks with the Chiefs. You are making excuses already for the kid and you are assuming the team he plays for will remain picking in the top 10. 4 years ago the Saints were picking #2, 2 years ago the Falcons and Dolphins picked in top 5 and made the playoffs.

**RealSNR** · 02-13-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So are you going to answer the question? I tell what what I'll just keep it to the first 20 picks. Will someone in the top 20 drafted after Berry have a better NFL career? Don't give me the crock of shit that it matters how good the team is. Jared Allen and Tony Gonzalez both still shined on a sorry ass Chiefs team. A good player looks like a good player on any team.

I'll answer the question. The chance that Berry is better than 15 other fantastic athletes in a single draft class is extremely unlikely. The chance that one of those 15 other athletes is better than the 14 other athletes or Berry is extremely unlikely.

So given that information, the answer is yes. Berry is a better prospect and has a better chance of success than those other players. That's why he's so highly touted.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I'll answer the question. The chance that Berry is better than 15 other fantastic athletes in a single draft class is extremely unlikely. The chance that one of those 15 other athletes is better than the 14 other athletes or Berry is extremely unlikely.

So given that information, the answer is yes. Berry is a better prospect and has a better chance of success than those other players. That's why he's so highly touted.

In your opinion, but odds are you are wrong as you admit. If the Chiefs go with say another player like Graham who isn't "rated into the top 10" and he turns into Demarcus Ware then that's a brillant move that we should be open to.

RustShack · 02-13-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

In your opinion, but odds are you are wrong as you admit. If the Chiefs go with say another player like Graham who isn't "rated into the top 10" and he turns into Demarcus Ware then that's a brillant move that we should be open to.

Are you stupid? Ware was a talented prospect with upside, Graham isn't. Graham is like what Hali was coming out, what you see is what you get. Sure he won't be a flop like some other players, but he wont be great either.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Are you stupid? Ware was a talented prospect with upside, Graham isn't. Graham is like what Hali was coming out, what you see is what you get. Sure he won't be a flop like some other players, but he wont be great either.

Yeah, I'm sure you would have said the same thing about Lamar Woodley.

RustShack · 02-13-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Yeah, I'm sure you would have said the same thing about Lamar Woodley.

Yeah? You think he would be great here? Or do you think he would be like all the other great Steelers linebackers to go to another team and suck it up? Harrison couldn't cut it with the Ravens and now hes a Steelers MVP. But seriously, if a Woodley caliber player is what your aiming for with the #5 pick then you should probably just die.

Saccopoo · 02-14-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Are you stupid? Ware was a talented prospect with upside, Graham isn't. Graham is like what Hali was coming out, what you see is what you get. Sure he won't be a flop like some other players, but he wont be great either.

Did anyone cue AustinChief?

eazyb81 · 02-14-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Are you stupid? Ware was a talented prospect with upside, Graham isn't. Graham is like what Hali was coming out, what you see is what you get. Sure he won't be a flop like some other players, but he wont be great either.

Graham is so much more explosive than Hali it's not even funny. The Hali-Graham comp is terrible.