Other Sports Sources: Cavaliers close to deal for Stoudemire - Page 2

blazzin311 · 02-14-2010, 09:14 AM

Found this, this morning for those interested. I'd have to think that if the Cavs got Stoudemire it for sure makes them the favorites to win the Eastern Conference.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305

Updated: February 14, 2010, 2:57 AM ET
Sources: Hickson, Ilgauskas to Suns

By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magaazine
Archive
The Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns are closing in on a deal that would send All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.

Stoudemire

The Cavaliers would send Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Phoenix in exchange for Stoudemire, one of the league's most dominant big man.

While Cleveland remains in talks with several other teams, the club, from management down to the players, has settled on Stoudemire as its first choice.

The ball is in Phoenix's court. The Suns are mulling whether the financial relief provided by Ilgauskas's $12 million contract and the young and talented Hickson are enough for them to part with Stoudemire.

Cleveland believes the addition of Stoudemire would all but seal LeBron James' re-signing with the team when he becomes a free agent this summer. The Cavaliers are also prepared to sign Stoudemire, who has one year and $17 million remaining on his contract, to a long-term contract extension once the season ends.

The Suns will likely waive Ilgauskas, which would allow him to be re-signed by Cleveland after 30 days.

Cleveland is also talking with Washington about acquiring Antawn Jamison, as well as Indiana about Troy Murphy. Meanwhile, Golden State is trying to entice the Cavs into taking Corey Maggette for Ilgauskas.

**Saul Good** · 02-14-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Isn't that what everybody said when Shaq was dealt to Cleveland? That it won't help Cleveland's inability to defend the pick and roll/teams like Orlando will only continue to have their way with them, etc.

Boy do those guys look stupid after Cleveland rolled Orlando in the playoffs last year.

Quesadilla Joe · 02-14-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Stoudemire isn't that good. He's not a very good shooter and he plays horrendous defense. Horrendous.

One of the Cavs best strengths, half court defense, would immediately become a liability.

IMO, this could be the rare trade that makes both teams worse.

Sarver has consistently shown that he cares more about the bottom line than titles, otherwise the Suns of the last 6 years probably would have won 4 titles.

Stoudemire has all the potential in the world and is a very good shooter for a guy his size. Before his micro-fracture surgery he absolutely killed Tim Duncan in the playoffs, he averaged like 35 points and 15 rebounds in a series against he Spurs one year.

**RealSNR** · 02-14-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Boy do those guys look stupid after Cleveland rolled Orlando in the playoffs last year.

Shaq was still with the Suns last season.

I know it's only a regular season game, but Shaq is much better against Dwight Howard than Z was. I think that was a good deal.

DJ's left nut · 02-14-2010, 11:46 AM

The Cavs would be smarter to send Shaq in this deal.

Shaq and Amare on the floor with LeBron would completely clog the middle. At that point, you've done a fair amount to defeat LeBron's greatest strength; his strength/inside presence.

LeBron's an average shooter. He needs some room to work from inside and/or mid-range to really excel. If you have Shaq and Amare down there, the entire defense will collapse down and his lanes are gone.

I actually think Danny Granger would be a perfect fit for Cleveland if they could figure out a way to get him. He's a bigger guy that can rebound a little but works on the perimeter offensively.

Titty Meat · 02-14-2010, 11:57 AM

Hickson is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Amare is good but I don't see how this stretchs the court to open things up for Lebron. Jamison would be the ideal player for the Cavs.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-14-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Hickson is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Amare is good but I don't see how this stretchs the court to open things up for Lebron. Jamison would be the ideal player for the Cavs.

I agree. I'm not really seeing it. What I really think the Cavs need, actually, is a John Paxson or Steve Kerr type player. A guy who simply does not miss an open long-range shot. A guy who Lebron can drive in and then kick the ball out to the outside to a wide open man and he'll drain it every time. Stoudemire could be that guy. But I feel like it should be a pure outside sharpshooter instead. It just seems like all their best kickback shooters are bigger guys with good range on their jumpshots. Z was actually one of those guys.

Moe Williams was supposed to be that guy, but he absolutely choked in the playoffs last year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-14-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Stoudemire has all the potential in the world and is a very good shooter for a guy his size. Before his micro-fracture surgery he absolutely killed Tim Duncan in the playoffs, he averaged like 35 points and 15 rebounds in a series against he Spurs one year.

Operative phrase: before his microfracture surgery.

He's never been the same player since. His explosiveness is gone.

Combine that with putting him and Shaq in the same front court, and you have a defensive apocalypse.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-14-2010, 12:09 PM

Washington wasn't doing a straight salary dump. They got good value for Butler, all things considered.

Where the Cavs really ****ed themselves was last year, when they could have offloaded Szczerbiak's expiring contract for a piece, but did nothing.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-14-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I agree. I'm not really seeing it. What I really think the Cavs need, actually, is a John Paxson or Steve Kerr type player. A guy who simply does not miss an open long-range shot. A guy who Lebron can drive in and then kick the ball out to the outside to a wide open man and he'll drain it every time. Stoudemire could be that guy. But I feel like it should be a pure outside sharpshooter instead. It just seems like all their best kickback shooters are bigger guys with good range on their jumpshots. Z was actually one of those guys.

Moe Williams was supposed to be that guy, but he absolutely choked in the playoffs last year.

Cleveland has 3 guys in the top 15 in the league in 3 pt %. I don't think that's really a problem.

The one thing they still don't have is a second player who can create his own shot. You can't have LeBron going 1-5 in crunch time and win consistently.

DJ's left nut · 02-14-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I agree. I'm not really seeing it. What I really think the Cavs need, actually, is a John Paxson or Steve Kerr type player. A guy who simply does not miss an open long-range shot. A guy who Lebron can drive in and then kick the ball out to the outside to a wide open man and he'll drain it every time. Stoudemire could be that guy. But I feel like it should be a pure outside sharpshooter instead. It just seems like all their best kickback shooters are bigger guys with good range on their jumpshots. Z was actually one of those guys.

Moe Williams was supposed to be that guy, but he absolutely choked in the playoffs last year.

What the Cavs have is 3 of the top 11 3-pt shooters in the game already. They have guards that can shoot the three-pointer. A Kerr/Paxson doesn't do them nearly as well as a guy like Trevor Ariza would, but Ariza plays SF.

They need a power forward that can shoot from outside; a Glenn Rice type.

Granger would be their best bet, followed closely by Antwan Jamison (in fact, Jamison might be even better), but even someone like Troy Murphy or Matt Bonner would be good as well

Psyko Tek · 02-14-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Stoudemire isn't that good. He's not a very good shooter and he plays horrendous defense. Horrendous.

One of the Cavs best strengths, half court defense, would immediately become a liability.

IMO, this could be the rare trade that makes both teams worse.

Sarver has consistently shown that he cares more about the bottom line than titles, otherwise the Suns of the last 6 years probably would have won 4 titles.

yeah sarver is a bottom line guy
gawd I miss, colangelo

the refs didn't help phx at all

DJ's left nut · 02-14-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Cleveland has 3 guys in the top 15 in the league in 3 pt %. I don't think that's really a problem.

The one thing they still don't have is a second player who can create his own shot. You can't have LeBron going 1-5 in crunch time and win consistently.

Mo Williams can create off the dribble, as can Gibson.

The Cavs don't run an offense that really encourages those guys to make their own shot. LeBron dominates the ball in their offense.

If you put Jamison out there with Williams and Parker, the defense would have to spread to cover the wings and LeBron could have his way inside. Another 'creator' would just end up doing what Parker's doing now; shooting jumpers after LeBron crashes.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-14-2010, 12:17 PM

As strange as it seems, the Cavs probably would have been better off last year and the foreseeable future had they offered a 1 and Szczerbiak's contract for Zach ****ing Randolph off all people.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-14-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mo Williams can create off the dribble, as can Gibson.

The Cavs don't run an offense that really encourages those guys to make their own shot. LeBron dominates the ball in their offense.

If you put Jamison out there with Williams and Parker, the defense would have to spread to cover the wings and LeBron could have his way inside. Another 'creator' would just end up doing what Parker's doing now; shooting jumpers after LeBron crashes.

Mo Williams scores 9.9 points a game that aren't from beyond the arc.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-14-2010, 12:21 PM

DJ, what I mean by "create his own shot" is someone who can score without needing someone else to dribble, drive, and kick it to them for an open look.

They can either

1) Beat their man off the dribble

or

2) Beat the guy in post

The Cavs don't have anyone who can score in the low post if you get him the ball on the block, aside from the corpse of Shaq.

They can't play Hi-Lo

02-14-2010, 09:14 AM
blazzin311 Blazzin311 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $9375101	Sources: Cavaliers close to deal for Stoudemire Found this, this morning for those interested. I'd have to think that if the Cavs got Stoudemire it for sure makes them the favorites to win the Eastern Conference. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305 Updated: February 14, 2010, 2:57 AM ET Sources: Hickson, Ilgauskas to Suns By Chris Broussard ESPN The Magaazine Archive The Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns are closing in on a deal that would send All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire to Cleveland, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations. Stoudemire The Cavaliers would send Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson to Phoenix in exchange for Stoudemire, one of the league's most dominant big man. While Cleveland remains in talks with several other teams, the club, from management down to the players, has settled on Stoudemire as its first choice. The ball is in Phoenix's court. The Suns are mulling whether the financial relief provided by Ilgauskas's $12 million contract and the young and talented Hickson are enough for them to part with Stoudemire. Cleveland believes the addition of Stoudemire would all but seal LeBron James' re-signing with the team when he becomes a free agent this summer. The Cavaliers are also prepared to sign Stoudemire, who has one year and $17 million remaining on his contract, to a long-term contract extension once the season ends. The Suns will likely waive Ilgauskas, which would allow him to be re-signed by Cleveland after 30 days. Cleveland is also talking with Washington about acquiring Antawn Jamison, as well as Indiana about Troy Murphy. Meanwhile, Golden State is trying to entice the Cavs into taking Corey Maggette for Ilgauskas.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-650901	The Cavs would be smarter to send Shaq in this deal. Shaq and Amare on the floor with LeBron would completely clog the middle. At that point, you've done a fair amount to defeat LeBron's greatest strength; his strength/inside presence. LeBron's an average shooter. He needs some room to work from inside and/or mid-range to really excel. If you have Shaq and Amare down there, the entire defense will collapse down and his lanes are gone. I actually think Danny Granger would be a perfect fit for Cleveland if they could figure out a way to get him. He's a bigger guy that can rebound a little but works on the perimeter offensively. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-992442	Hickson is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Amare is good but I don't see how this stretchs the court to open things up for Lebron. Jamison would be the ideal player for the Cavs.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7259572	Washington wasn't doing a straight salary dump. They got good value for Butler, all things considered. Where the Cavs really ****ed themselves was last year, when they could have offloaded Szczerbiak's expiring contract for a piece, but did nothing. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7259572	As strange as it seems, the Cavs probably would have been better off last year and the foreseeable future had they offered a 1 and Szczerbiak's contract for Zach ****ing Randolph off all people. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7259572	DJ, what I mean by "create his own shot" is someone who can score without needing someone else to dribble, drive, and kick it to them for an open look. They can either 1) Beat their man off the dribble or 2) Beat the guy in post The Cavs don't have anyone who can score in the low post if you get him the ball on the block, aside from the corpse of Shaq. They can't play Hi-Lo __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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