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**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-15-2010, 05:53 PM

This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth.

If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years.

Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine.

So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel.

Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief.

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Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources.

Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle.

Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn.

KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time,

Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks.

Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.

TRR · 02-15-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it's because you once said....this...

And who would that QB be? There isn't a Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer in the 2008 draft. Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, and Andre Woodson would all be very late 1st, if not 2nd round selections in almost any other years draft.

Unfortanely IMO, Ryan and the bunch don't bring much more to the table than Croyle, especially if the O Line is not rebuilt.

2 out of 3 aint bad....and Ryan has a lot to prove still....
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Mecca · 02-15-2010, 09:06 PM

When I read the phrase "Hey Ryan ain't much better than Croyle" that is a typical KC QB fan thing to say.

It comes out every year.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-15-2010, 09:07 PM

What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him.

I'm going to go to the other 15 teams in the NFL that have shit QBs and let them know that no fans can be critical of those QBs because they don't have good skill position players.

Mecca · 02-15-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him.

I'm going to go to the other 15 teams in the NFL that have shit QBs and let them know that no fans can be critical of those QBs because they don't have good skill position players.

It's a travesty that Washington is going to replace Jason Campbell, Trent Edwards also subscribes to this notion.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-15-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

WTF, do you think you're Carl Peterson? I just fired that dipshit and now you make a move he would make!

I keep reading this, and it's complete bullshit every time.

Carl Peterson signed players he had no first-hand knowledge of. Pioli was around Cassel, knew alot about him, and obviously had a lot of faith in his abilities.

The only comparison is Trent Green with Vermeil.

Carl Peterson never had a comfort level with any of the 49ers QBs he acquired prior.

TRR · 02-15-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

When I read the phrase "Hey Ryan ain't much better than Croyle" that is a typical KC QB fan thing to say.

It comes out every year.

I didn't say he wasn't much better than Croyle...I said at the time that I didn't think he brought much more to the table. Was I wrong? Time will tell.

Ryan has exceeded expectations in my eyes thus far....but I was spot on with Woodson and Brohm up till now.

We could go back to any poster on this board and pull up a ridiculous quote FWIW...especially you.
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**The Bad Guy** · 02-15-2010, 09:12 PM

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It's a travesty that Washington is going to replace Jason Campbell, Trent Edwards also subscribes to this notion.

Yep. We just can't accuarately criticize Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, or Brady Quinn either.

Mecca · 02-15-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I didn't say he wasn't much better than Croyle...I said at the time that I didn't think he brought much more to the table. Was I wrong? Time will tell.

Ryan has exceeded expectations in my eyes thus far....but I was spot on with Woodson and Brohm up till now.

We could go back to any poster on this board and pull up a ridiculous quote FWIW...especially you.
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If you said every QB was going to suck you'd get more right than you got wrong, that's the general argument every year. 'QB is risky" "this guy isn't that good" etc etc etc.

It's just to bad that in a QB driven league until you find one you're on the outside looking in.

ChiefsCountry · 02-15-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him.

Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

TRR · 02-15-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him.

I'm going to go to the other 15 teams in the NFL that have shit QBs and let them know that no fans can be critical of those QBs because they don't have good skill position players.

If you can truly judge Cassel on the trainwreck that was last years offense, then I will send a letter of recommendation to all the NFL teams in the league begging for you to get a job as a scout.

Only time will tell who's right and who's wrong.
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Mecca · 02-15-2010, 09:15 PM

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Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

It's really hard to throw WR screen passes man.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-15-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

That's a little exaggerated as well. Do some of you really think he's going to come in and be a flawless player when he didn't start a real game in 8 years? I mean, he did perform well with top-notch talent, but it's like you can plug and play any QB into that spot and get above average production.

**DeezNutz** · 02-15-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I keep reading this, and it's complete bullshit every time.

Carl Peterson signed players he had no first-hand knowledge of. Pioli was around Cassel, knew alot about him, and obviously had a lot of faith in his abilities.

The only comparison is Trent Green with Vermeil.

Carl Peterson never had a comfort level with any of the 49ers QBs he acquired prior.

Joe Montana. Hackett was the OC when he was acquired.

And this obviously started the trend, so I'd say it's pretty applicable.

TRR · 02-15-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its funny how everybody forgets about his days in New England when he had that talent, and still wasn't that good.

Lol!!!

Deeper and deeper it gets.
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Mecca · 02-15-2010, 09:18 PM

The thing is Cassel has the same problem he had when he played for NE, his deep ball is horrible and his accuracy is highly questionable, the further he gets down the field the more wild it gets.

He's still that same guy.

02-15-2010, 05:53 PM
Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	Interesting Chiefs News This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth. If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years. Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine. So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel. Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources. Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle. Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn. KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time, Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks. Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.
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02-15-2010, 09:06 PM	#182
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-792950	When I read the phrase "Hey Ryan ain't much better than Croyle" that is a typical KC QB fan thing to say. It comes out every year.
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02-15-2010, 09:07 PM	#183
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	What I've learned in this thread, is that unless you give Cassel studs everywhere, no one can criticize him. I'm going to go to the other 15 teams in the NFL that have shit QBs and let them know that no fans can be critical of those QBs because they don't have good skill position players. __________________
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02-15-2010, 09:18 PM	#195
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-792950	The thing is Cassel has the same problem he had when he played for NE, his deep ball is horrible and his accuracy is highly questionable, the further he gets down the field the more wild it gets. He's still that same guy.
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