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**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-15-2010, 05:53 PM

This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth.

If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years.

Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine.

So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel.

Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief.

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Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources.

Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle.

Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn.

KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time,

Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks.

Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.

Saccopoo · 02-15-2010, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Well he is paid to be our franchise QB and the team ****ed up by trading for him when a legit one was available. I think its legit to rag on the POS. Face it he is the face of our franchise, if he played like a legit franchise QB I would have no problem eating crow and say I was wrong about him. I really would and hope for the Chiefs sake he does, bc I don't think Pioli is man enought to admit he screwed up.

Who is this legit franchise quarterback that was available to the Chiefs?

Sanchez?

12 TDS
20 INTS
2444 YDS
63.0 Rating

Cassel

16 TDS
16 INTS
2924 YDS
69.9 Rating

And then consider that the Cassel was the second most sacked quarterback in the league and the Chiefs receivers led the league in dropped passes.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-15-2010, 11:06 PM

My opinion of Weis went up dramatically. My opinion of Haley and Pioli stayed the same.

Honestly, If Weis thinks Clausen is worth it at 25, he's worth it at 5. You're drafting him there to be a QBOTF.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-15-2010, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Who is this legit franchise quarterback that was available to the Chiefs?

Sanchez?

12 TDS
20 INTS
2444 YDS
63.0 Rating

Cassel

16 TDS
16 INTS
2924 YDS
69.9 Rating

And then consider that the Cassel was the second most sacked quarterback in the league and the Chiefs receivers led the league in dropped passes.

Sanchez had two very bad games. He also won two playoff games and was leading a third when his team was beaten by Peyton Manning.

The Jets will add at least one more receiver this off-season and Sanchez will continue to improve.

Titty Meat · 02-15-2010, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

My opinion of Weis went up dramatically. My opinion of Haley and Pioli stayed the same.

Honestly, If Weis thinks Clausen is worth it at 25, he's worth it at 5. You're drafting him there to be a QBOTF.

This. It's refreshing to see.

Titty Meat · 02-15-2010, 11:09 PM

Sanchez won more than that loser Tony Gonzalez has won his whole career. Lets quit with the Sanchez/Cassel comparisons. Sanchez will be the better QB.

ChiefsCountry · 02-15-2010, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Who is this legit franchise quarterback that was available to the Chiefs?

Sanchez?

12 TDS
20 INTS
2444 YDS
63.0 Rating

Cassel

16 TDS
16 INTS
2924 YDS
69.9 Rating

And then consider that the Cassel was the second most sacked quarterback in the league and the Chiefs receivers led the league in dropped passes.

Must suck to be that QB who has beaten Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Has 2 playoff wins and played his best game in the biggest game of his NFL career. Must suck be a nOOb QB who didn't shit himself in the playoffs either. Must suck to be the Jets who can build for the next 15 years around Sanchez.

Saccopoo · 02-15-2010, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sanchez had two very bad games. He also won two playoff games and was leading a third when his team was beaten by Peyton Manning.

The Jets will add at least one more receiver this off-season and Sanchez will continue to improve.

I'm sure he will, but he's playing behind one of, if not the, best offensive lines in the NFL and had the #1 rated defense to cover his ass. But yet, he threw for 500 yards less than Cassel and had four less touchdowns, four more interceptions and a substantially lower quarterback rating. Cassel played behind the worst offensive line in football, had no defense to rely on, and his receivers led the league in drops. But he still had a better year than Sanchez, and people around here are ready to tar and feather Matt. You put Sanchez on this Chiefs team and think about what his stats would have looked like. If he could only throw for 2400 yards and a 63 QB rating on that Jets team, how bad would it have been here? But the vast majority of this board is more than happy to crucify Cassel.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-15-2010, 11:18 PM

Matt Cassel had a better rookie year. Higher TD/Int ratio, threw for more yards, higher QB rating. He had a better rookie year than Stafford, too. Great, young prospect who will only get better. And he's only in his early 20s.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-15-2010, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm sure he will, but he's playing behind one of, if not the, best offensive lines in the NFL and had the #1 rated defense to cover his ass. But yet, he threw for 500 yards less than Cassel and had four less touchdowns, four more interceptions and a substantially lower quarterback rating. Cassel played behind the worst offensive line in football, had no defense to rely on, and his receivers led the league in drops. But he still had a better year than Sanchez, and people around here are ready to tar and feather Matt. You put Sanchez on this Chiefs team and think about what his stats would have looked like. If he could only throw for 2400 yards and a 63 QB rating on that Jets team, how bad would it have been here? But the vast majority of this board is more than happy to crucify Cassel.

I don't want to crucify Cassel, I wan't to crucify him upside down. I'd like to garrote him with Concertina Wire, and then have Ivar the Boneless give his worthless ass a Blood Eagle, topped off with him being drawn and quartered by four Clydesdales at midfield of Arrowhead. But first, I'd like to clone him, just so I could see it done to him again.

And yet, in spite all of this, I still hope he succeeds.

Saccopoo · 02-15-2010, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Must suck to be that QB who has beaten Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Has 2 playoff wins and played his best game in the biggest game of his NFL career. Must suck be a nOOb QB who didn't shit himself in the playoffs either. Must suck to be the Jets who can build for the next 15 years around Sanchez.

Why are you even here? Go buy a Sanchez jersey and start posting on the Jets fan boards.

**BossChief** · 02-15-2010, 11:22 PM

How about giving the guy a chance?

I mean, shit we can keep beating a dead horse or we can look at the Cassel situation as a player that nobody in the world knows his upside.

I wanted no part of the trade, but whats done is done. I have hope that we have the right people around him so he can be successful in the future.

As Ive said before, I would be very very happy if we took Jimmy Clausen, but it isnt gonna happen.

I am trying to keep a glass half full outlook on the guy and hope that the reasons he wasnt successful last year will be lessened and he will get more comfortable and start to make plays. I dont know if that can happen, but with Weis as his OC and QBC he should have the best opportunity of doing so as possible.

Dropped passes
no qb coach
no offensive coordinator
line consistency

We have VASTLY improved two of those with the Weis hire and we fix the problems we have at receiver problem and are better on the line before we take the field next year. I have hope. We

2009 was a complete loss of a year to an already advanced aged and under-experienced qb. Not a good start to the regime, but hopefully its salvageable.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-15-2010, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm sure he will, but he's playing behind one of, if not the, best offensive lines in the NFL and had the #1 rated defense to cover his ass. But yet, he threw for 500 yards less than Cassel and had four less touchdowns, four more interceptions and a substantially lower quarterback rating. Cassel played behind the worst offensive line in football, had no defense to rely on, and his receivers led the league in drops. But he still had a better year than Sanchez, and people around here are ready to tar and feather Matt. You put Sanchez on this Chiefs team and think about what his stats would have looked like. If he could only throw for 2400 yards and a 63 QB rating on that Jets team, how bad would it have been here? But the vast majority of this board is more than happy to crucify Cassel.

I don't think Cassel's upside is nearly as great as Sanchez's upside.

Sanchez is just getting started and Cassel is nearly 28 years old.

RustShack · 02-15-2010, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We can't follow Pioli's history because he's never been in the position to need to draft a QB high.

He went from having the #1 overall pick to the ****ing winning lottery ticket.

Actually Pioli drafted Chad Pennington in the first round.

ChiefsCountry · 02-15-2010, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Why are you even here? Go buy a Sanchez jersey and start posting on the Jets fan boards.

I really wish the Aids Tree would hit you full force, you make CoMo and Hootie look like geniuses.

ChiefsCountry · 02-15-2010, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack

Actually Pioli drafted Chad Pennington in the first round.

Pioli didnt work for the Jets in 2000.

02-15-2010, 05:53 PM
Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	Interesting Chiefs News This comes from someone who has been an incredibly reliable source on this site in the past. Take it for what's it's worth. If Claussen falls to around the 20-25th pick the Chiefs may package their 2nd round picks to move up in the draft to take Claussen. Weiss is telling all teams that contact him about Claussen that he is the real deal. Claussen will play in the NFL for 10-15 years. Weiss is not sold on Cassell. He feels that he may not have the mental tools to be a successful QB without better players around him. He feels that he has the physical tools, but lacks the mental discipline thats needed to play the position. Both Haley and Pioli think Cassell will work out fine. So what is gonna happen? Weiss wants a quality backup in place behind Cassell to push him. Croyle is not that backup. Everyone at Arrrowhead knows Croyle is not a long term solution so he can't really push Cassell to excel. Enter Brady Quinn. The Chiefs had talks with Cleveland a couple of weeks ago about a trade to KC. But, the Browns trade demands were really stupidly high so the talks went no where seriously. If the demands come down, Quinn will be a Chief. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now the rest of this info is from other sources so get out that shaker of salt to take wth this information. Compiled from 4 different sources. Supposely Buffalo talked to the Chiefs about a trade for Croyle. Cleveland wanted the 2nd round pick plus a 5th rounder for Quinn. KC was willing to part with a 4th-5th rounder for Quinn. Which one would depend on playing time, Weiss and Cassell talk almost every day on the phone and in person. Long talks. Nothing new with the Bowe wants a new contract before the OTA's situation. But, the Chiefs have put out trade feelers to gauge interest in Bowe but most were 4th-5th rounders.
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02-15-2010, 11:06 PM	#227
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	My opinion of Weis went up dramatically. My opinion of Haley and Pioli stayed the same. Honestly, If Weis thinks Clausen is worth it at 25, he's worth it at 5. You're drafting him there to be a QBOTF. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-15-2010, 11:09 PM	#230
Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-1252442	Sanchez won more than that loser Tony Gonzalez has won his whole career. Lets quit with the Sanchez/Cassel comparisons. Sanchez will be the better QB.
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02-15-2010, 11:18 PM	#233
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Matt Cassel had a better rookie year. Higher TD/Int ratio, threw for more yards, higher QB rating. He had a better rookie year than Stafford, too. Great, young prospect who will only get better. And he's only in his early 20s. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-15-2010, 11:22 PM	#236
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1795912	How about giving the guy a chance? I mean, shit we can keep beating a dead horse or we can look at the Cassel situation as a player that nobody in the world knows his upside. I wanted no part of the trade, but whats done is done. I have hope that we have the right people around him so he can be successful in the future. As Ive said before, I would be very very happy if we took Jimmy Clausen, but it isnt gonna happen. I am trying to keep a glass half full outlook on the guy and hope that the reasons he wasnt successful last year will be lessened and he will get more comfortable and start to make plays. I dont know if that can happen, but with Weis as his OC and QBC he should have the best opportunity of doing so as possible. Dropped passes no qb coach no offensive coordinator line consistency We have VASTLY improved two of those with the Weis hire and we fix the problems we have at receiver problem and are better on the line before we take the field next year. I have hope. We 2009 was a complete loss of a year to an already advanced aged and under-experienced qb. Not a good start to the regime, but hopefully its salvageable. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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