Bradford to skip combine workout.

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Per ESPN he will attend personal meetings but will not participate in physical tests till Oklahoma's pro-day.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's pretty hard to judge accuracy when he played in that system and threw to guys running wide open.

MISNOMER, on your part. I've seen every collegiate game, he's ever played in and most in person. It's okay to disagree, but your statement, is over the top, falsehoods.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bradford played like 7 quarters this year, reerun.

Last year, he had Iglesias, Gresham, Murray, Brown, all of whom who were great receiving threats.

Rewatch the Florida game bro and the games he did play this year. Also let's not pretend like he is the only guy throwing the NFL prospects and the one's he was throwing to aren't that great.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

MISNOMER, on your part. I've seen every collegiate game, he's ever played in and most in person. It's okay to disagree, but your statement, is over the top, falsehoods.

It's amazing how love or hate for a player can cloud the truth.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

See post #27. Again this is not true.

Post 27 is completely stupid. Bradford didn't play at all this year, and when he played in the past, he was surrounded by talent.

The two games where he had any pressure in his face (Florida, Texas) he shit his pants.

Bradford completed 10% fewer of his passes against Florida than he did for the year, threw two back breaking interceptions that cost his team the game, and his team scored a whopping 14 points despite setting an NCAA record for scoring against the soft ass defenses of the BXII.

That's an awful ****ing game for comparison.

By the way, some reerun once posted a YouTube vid of every throw of his in that game, I've seen them. There's not one NFL throw in there, aside from an attempt at a post route that turned into an INT.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

BTW, if you want to, go bump the BCS title thread from January '09. You'll see the same criticism then, too.

Well that, and additional barbs because he can't read a defense and needs his coaches to tell him what play to call once the defense is set.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yes, he was truly amazing at lobbing 5 yard rainbows to wide open receivers while being protected by three First Team AA offensive linemen.

Of course, given the history of success of Stoops' QBs, and his otherwordly physical toughness, how could you not pass on a car salesman QB with that much upside?

OU isn't known for their QBs, thus making your Stoops comment rife with sarcasm.

Just because a coach isn't known for developing NFL QBs, doesn't mean one, can't still be on the roster and DEVELOP under his tutelege. Surely, you aren't suggesting, Bradford regressed in play, as time went on. Playing for a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, says, otherwise, in my book.

OU went to Hell, after Bradford got hurt, that should tell you, a little about his talent level. It's not even close, after he went down. Look at the record, with Bradford and without.

Then look at his stats, that's not some pud, getting lucky, that's TALENT.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's amazing how love or hate for a player can cloud the truth.

Okay.

If you are inferring me, as being clouded, I could see how that's a fair critisism, but I would say that about Bradford, if he played at any other sizeable program. His accuracy is hard to ignore, regardless of school.

I've jumped the gun before about a few other players in the past, but I usually have a pretty good eye for talent that make the transition.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

OU isn't known for their QBs, thus making your Stoops comment rife with sarcasm.

No ****ing shit.

Originally Posted by BCF

Just because a coach isn't known for developing NFL QBs, doesn't mean one, can't still be on the roster and DEVELOP under his tutelege. Surely, you aren't suggesting, Bradford regressed in play, as time went on. Playing for a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, says, otherwise, in my book.

I'm not saying he regressed, I'm saying he played his worst games against his best competition and literally shit himself in his two biggest games.

Originally Posted by BCF

OU went to Hell, after Bradford got hurt, that should tell you, a little about his talent level. It's not even close, after he went down. Look at the record, with Bradford and without.

Then look at his stats, that's not some pud, getting lucky, that's TALENT.

Correlation does not imply causation. Your logic is awful

No Iglesias
No Gresham
No Loadholt
No Robinson

But yes, because Andre Ware, Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, Graham Harrell, and David Klingler put up stats they must have talent.

Yeah, Bradford was a really good college QB. So were Gino Toretta, Ken Dorsey, and all of the aforementioned bums.

There's no similarity between the college spread offense and the NFL.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

By the way, some reerun once posted a YouTube vid of every throw of his in that game, I've seen them. There's not one NFL throw in there, aside from an attempt at a post route that turned into an INT.

That's the one that sticks out in my mind as a NFL Elite level pass. He stood tall in the pocket with pressure ni his face while delivering a strike 20 yards down field in a 6 inch window only to have it bounce of Iglesias's hands.

Same thing against BYU in the first half. Tight windows with pressure in his face. The WR's just couldn't catch it.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Okay.

If you are inferring me, as being clouded, I could see how that's a fair critisism, but I would say that about Bradford, if he played at any other sizeable program. His accuracy is hard to ignore, regardless of school.

I've jumped the gun before about a few other players in the past, but I usually have a pretty good eye for talent that make the transition.

I was referring to Mecca and Hamas. Sanchez has a 63 QB rating and we missed the boat somehow and Bradford is a sure fire bust because he is a Big 12 QB

[BigChiefFan]

I mis-read your original post.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Bradford is a shitty prospect because he's frail, has no experience playing in a pro style offense, can't read a defense, and cannot make NFL throws.

He, like Harrell, Heupel, White, Daniel, etc, are all stats, no talent.

[BigCatDaddy]

Andre Ware, Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, Graham Harrell, and David Klingler

Yeah, Bradford was a really good college QB. So were Gino Toretta, Ken Dorsey, and all of the aforementioned bums.

There's no similarity between the college spread offense and the NFL.[/QUOTE]

And NFL teams all had all those guys projected being drafter where? They have Bradford being projected where? You can't just eliminate a guy because he put up good college numbers bro. You forget to mention guys like Rivers and Brees that were both in the gun like 90% of the time.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bradford is a shitty prospect because he's frail, has no experience playing in a pro style offense, can't read a defense, and cannot make NFL throws.

He, like Harrell, Heupel, White, Daniel, etc, are all stats, no talent.

I'll give you the injury questions. Like I said Rivers and Brees were both shotgun QB's and made the transition quite nicely. He can make all the throws I've watched every OU game since his freshman year. Not 1 Rookie QB is going to be good at reading NFL defenses, just ask Mark Sanchez and his 63 QB rating.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I'll give you the injury questions. Like I said Rivers and Brees were both shotgun QB's and made the transition quite nicely. He can make all the throws I've watched every OU game since his freshman year. Not 1 Rookie QB is going to be good at reading NFL defenses, just ask Mark Sanchez and his 63 QB rating.

Brees took 4 years to make a transition, and Rivers did not play in a BXII Shotgun spread where he made no downfield throws.

Those are poor comparisons.

Shotgun QBs are not always Spread QBs.

Again, you are working in absolutes and false binaries. It's not that a rookie QB is gonna be Peyton Manning, but if he comes from a Pro Style offense, you know that he can make reads.

Bradford's offense does not require him to go through progressions. It's a single read system most of the time, and rarely more than a two read system.

We'll also ignore the fact that he's shown no ability to make a proper 3, 5, or 7 step drop, or operate under center.