Brandon Graham predicts he will run a 4.5 second 40-yard dash

**AustinChief** · 02-20-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If he was the next DeMarcus Ware, you take him at #1.

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Agreed, but even I don't think THAT highly of him. If he slpis out of the top 20 I would SERIOUSLY look into trading up for him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-20-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

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Agreed, but even I don't think THAT highly of him. If he slpis out of the top 20 I would SERIOUSLY look into trading up for him.

Yeah, but the question posed was if you knew he was the next Ware, what do you do.

**AustinChief** · 02-20-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, but the question posed was if you knew he was the next Ware, what do you do.

Oh I know, I was just pointing out that even I(his biggest fanboy) don't think he is in that class... but agreed if somehow you KNEW that.. he goes #1 in a hearbeat.

Saccopoo · 02-20-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

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Agreed, but even I don't think THAT highly of him. If he slpis out of the top 20 I would SERIOUSLY look into trading up for him.

Even with Kindle and Hughes still on the board? Or a guy like Ricky Sapp?

I don't think that the Chiefs can afford to give up picks to move up and I'd be interested in your views about the scenario of Graham still available at, say, 20, but Kindle and Hughes and Sapp are still on the board.

I watched Hughes a lot the past several seasons, being we get a lot of TCU games here (conference), and I don't know if Graham offers you anything above and beyond what Hughes does. Pretty comparable players, but I admit not watching many Michigan games the past couple of seasons.

Kindle looks like the more complete player for a 3-4 OLB in terms of being able to play either side effectively than either Hughes or Graham.

I just don't think that in that scenario that a trade up would be prudent, but I would love to hear your take on it.

milkman · 02-20-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't think that the Chiefs can afford to give up picks to move up

This is one thing we can agree on wholeheartedly.

fact is, it wouldn't bother me any to see the Chiefs use that high second rounder trade down to later in the second an get another pick.

This draft is deep, and there are a lot of guys going later in the draft that could help this team.

**AustinChief** · 02-21-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

This is one thing we can agree on wholeheartedly.

fact is, it wouldn't bother me any to see the Chiefs use that high second rounder trade down to later in the second an get another pick.

This draft is deep, and there are a lot of guys going later in the draft that could help this team.

I simply don't trust the Chiefs enough yet to say more picks is better... I would rather get "safe" bets like Berry and Graham then 4 reaches or projects.

This goes against my general principles when it comes to the draft... but as I said ... until I trust the Chiefs to draft well, more picks = more scrubs to cut in training camp. Although it can also be argued that if they are COMPLETELY clueless than more picks means they are likely to get a few keepers just by random chance....

Lemme mull this over some more...

milkman · 02-21-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I simply don't trust the Chiefs enough yet to say more picks is better... I would rather get "safe" bets like Berry and Graham then 4 reaches or projects.

This goes against my general principles when it comes to the draft... but as I said ... until I trust the Chiefs to draft well, more picks = more scrubs to cut in training camp. Although it can also be argued that if they are COMPLETELY clueless than more picks means they are likely to get a few keepers just by random chance....

Lemme mull this over some more...

I think, in watching him play last preseason, they hit on a keeper just by random chance in Colin Brown.

They screwed up by drafting him, thinking he was a RT prospect, but he appears to be a solid guard prospect.

Of course, they had to wait till TC to figure out he didn't have the tools to play RT before moving him.

Tylerthigpen!1! · 02-22-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think, in watching him play last preseason, they hit on a keeper just by random chance in Colin Brown.

They screwed up by drafting him, thinking he was a RT prospect, but he appears to be a solid guard prospect.

Of course, they had to wait till TC to figure out he didn't have the tools to play RT before moving him.

I dont think you are giving Pioli and Co enough credit. EVERYONE was dogging on that pick at the time. We don't know what they drafted him for.

milkman · 02-23-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tylerthigpen!1!

I dont think you are giving Pioli and Co enough credit. EVERYONE was dogging on that pick at the time. We don't know what they drafted him for.

We do know that Brown worked exclusively at RT through OTAs, mini camps, and for the first couple of weeks of TC, so if they were planning to move him to guard all along, that was a pretty stupid way to go about doing it.

No, the fact that he did all that work at RT serves as strong evidence they had every intention of playing him at RT, but the work through camp showed them they made a draft error.

**AustinChief** · 02-21-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Even with Kindle and Hughes still on the board? Or a guy like Ricky Sapp?

I don't think that the Chiefs can afford to give up picks to move up and I'd be interested in your views about the scenario of Graham still available at, say, 20, but Kindle and Hughes and Sapp are still on the board.

I watched Hughes a lot the past several seasons, being we get a lot of TCU games here (conference), and I don't know if Graham offers you anything above and beyond what Hughes does. Pretty comparable players, but I admit not watching many Michigan games the past couple of seasons.

Kindle looks like the more complete player for a 3-4 OLB in terms of being able to play either side effectively than either Hughes or Graham.

I just don't think that in that scenario that a trade up would be prudent, but I would love to hear your take on it.

Hughes and Graham are completely different types of OLBs, you are right in that Kindle could play both sides. I would be hard pressed to take Graham over Kindle... but right now (precombine) I would take Graham over Hughes in a heartbeat. Graham is a LB that played DE in college. Hughes is a RB that played DE in college... vastly different learning curve when they arrive in the NFL.

Sapp? Not a huge fan, but I haven't studied him as much as the other three so no comment there.

It's pretty academic because a) he isn't likely to slip past 20 and B) even if he did, I don't see us trading a pick to move up unless Pioli sees as much value in him as I do.