Combine Winners and Losers

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The Patriots won the 2004 superbowl (that was Wilforks rookie year and Romeos last in NE FTR) He started the second half of the season and did so start in the superbowl.

http://www.patriots.com/search/index...=11016&pcid=41

Warren was there for the 2003 and 2004 superbowl. (thats 2 buddy, though I dont think he started in his first superbowl I know he started in the 2004 one from the article I linked)

You cant deflect that a lot of the best teams in the NFL spend a lot of first rounders on their DL and more specifically their run defense.

No, most NFL teams spend first rounders on pass rushers, not Tyson Jacksons.

Yes, it's an important position from the perspective of the run defense of a 3-4, and yes its value will increase as more teams run the 3-4, but you were putting words in my mouth by assuming that they didn't spend picks on DL. I didn't.

What I said was that New England won their Super Bowls when all of the linemen who are there now were not major contributors.

You don't have to have 3 1st rounders on your DL to be successful, and that's born out by the fact that NE's defense has been worse since those players have become better.

They aren't a panacea.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That defense in NE has sustained a high ranking because of the investment early on in the DL.

Shit that defense won championships without pass rushers because they had a DL that could take over games. Hopefully, we have exactly that once we add a true NT into the mix and get us some backers.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Patriots won 0 Super Bowls with Wilfork as starter and one with Warren.

As their LBs and secondary aged, their defense declined precipitously.

Originally Posted by BossChief

The Patriots won the 2004 superbowl (that was Wilforks rookie year and Romeos last in NE FTR) He started the second half of the season and did so start in the superbowl.

http://www.patriots.com/search/index...=11016&pcid=41

Warren was there for the 2003 and 2004 superbowl. (thats 2 buddy, though I dont think he started in his first superbowl I know he started in the 2004 one from the article I linked)

You cant deflect that a lot of the best teams in the NFL spend a lot of first rounders on their DL and more specifically their run defense.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, most NFL teams spend first rounders on pass rushers, not Tyson Jacksons.

Yes, it's an important position from the perspective of the run defense of a 3-4, and yes its value will increase as more teams run the 3-4, but you were putting words in my mouth by assuming that they didn't spend picks on DL. I didn't.

What I said was that New England won their Super Bowls when all of the linemen who are there now were not major contributors.

You don't have to have 3 1st rounders on your DL to be successful, and that's born out by the fact that NE's defense has been worse since those players have become better.

They aren't a panacea.

All I did was correct the errors in the post, if that was taken as putting words in your mouth I do apologize.

All Im saying is that this defense doesnt look to its pass rush as a reason they are consistently good, its their run defense. Over the last ten years they have only had two players (3 counting Tull banta cain last year) get double digit sacks. Its built on run defense from the inside out with versatile players.

If they decide to draft a LOLB they likely wont target the best pass rusher, more so the best run defender that can cover.

I know its not flashy, but its what to expect.