Clausen and Tate? - Page 5

Sully · 03-05-2010, 08:06 PM

If they are available at our picks, I want to know if you would be happy or unhappy if we ended up with both.

milkman · 03-06-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So, what you are saying is that a guy gets three years in the league, time in, not time started, and if they don't produce by that point it's okay to consider a replacement?

Okay. That's acceptable.

I'm completely off the Okung for the chiefs first round pick and switching my pick to Trent Williams for our new Right Tackle, as I see that as the next biggest position of need for this team, but I want you on the Matt Reynolds bandwagon for the 2011 Draft if Albert struggles again, okay?

I've already said that this is the year for Albert to step up and prove his worth, and that I'd be ready to move on if he doesn't.

Saccopoo · 03-06-2010, 12:31 PM

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You're comparing a rookie QB with one year of college starting experience to a 5 year vet with one year of NFL starting experience and trying to make some kind of point?

But yet it's okay to say that Cassel sucks when he played behind what many people consider to be the worst, or lowest performing offensive line in football and when his receivers led the league in drops?

Sanchez doesn't suck, even though his statistics say he does, because he's a rookie, but he's playing behind what most consider to be the best offensive line in football.

It's really going to be hard to get a consensus on this. Cassel sucks dog nuts, but his stats are substantially better than what many around here think is QBOTF material in Sanchez, because Cassel has an additional year of playing experience, but he plays behind the worst line in football while Sanchez plays behind the best line in football.

So, then, you feel that experience is more important and is a greater determining factor in grading a quarterbacks performance than the quality of players surrounding the quarterback, correct?

Saccopoo · 03-06-2010, 12:34 PM

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Sanchez has potential. Cassel is already maxed out.

And why do you say that? Cassel has only one more year of NFL starting experience than Sanchez, is bigger, faster, and more athletic. I would think that Cassel has a lot more room to grow into the starting QB role, especially if they got him some protection and receiving help.

Crush · 03-06-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

But yet it's okay to say that Cassel sucks when he played behind what many people consider to be the worst, or lowest performing offensive line in football and when his receivers led the league in drops?

Sanchez doesn't suck, even though his statistics say he does, because he's a rookie, but he's playing behind what most consider to be the best offensive line in football.

It's really going to be hard to get a consensus on this. Cassel sucks dog nuts, but his stats are substantially better than what many around here think is QBOTF material in Sanchez, because Cassel has an additional year of playing experience, but he plays behind the worst line in football while Sanchez plays behind the best line in football.

So, then, you feel that experience is more important and is a greater determining factor in grading a quarterbacks performance than the quality of players surrounding the quarterback, correct?

Sanchez is still in the oven. Cassel is already on the counter, half-eaten, cold, and tastes like a heaping bowl of salt. Plus, he's given you massive diarrhea of epic proportions.

So what do you do? Do you eat what is left of Cassel, even if he tastes shitty and gives you massive diarrhea of epic proportions? Hell no.

The solution is to let Sanchez fully cook in the oven and let him cool off on the counter. More than likely, Sanchez tastes much better and is much healthier for you.

Crush · 03-06-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And why do you say that? Cassel has only one more year of NFL starting experience than Sanchez, is bigger, faster, and more athletic. I would think that Cassel has a lot more room to grow into the starting QB role, especially if they got him some protection and receiving help.

The guy can't throw the long pass, even if his life depended on it. Plus, the guy, himself, admits to having anxiety problems. That is a bad combination for a so-called franchise QB.

Sully · 03-06-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And why do you say that? Cassel has only one more year of NFL starting experience than Sanchez, is bigger, faster, and more athletic. I would think that Cassel has a lot more room to grow into the starting QB role, especially if they got him some protection and receiving help.

You must be an offensive quarterback scout...

warrior · 03-06-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

You must be an offensive sack sucker...

Fixed your post---------no charge

**the Talking Can** · 03-06-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Obviously. And hate filled. What's the matter booby? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

So, you are happy to back the Carl Peterson/Al Grohl buddy pick of taking a guy who never played left tackle, but rather left guard and projecting that to the next level and think you are getting a future All-Pro? Okie dokie smokey! Or is it just that the guy was taken in the first round, so we never have to spend another first round pick on an offensive lineman as long as he's on the roster? Is that how you look at the roster from an evaluation perspective? That's awesome if you do. Then we don't need a defensive lineman or a linebacker by that logic, correct?

By Jove! That's exactly what you are doing! You are evaluating talent on where they were picked in the draft versus what they are doing on the field. Awesome sauce!

Don't forget that they also drafted a CENTER in the first round - the same first round as when they drafted the LT. They drafted two offensive lineman in the first round - of the same draft!!!! So, is it okay for us to draft another offensive lineman in the first round because it was okay for the Jets to do that? So, theoretically, it would be okay to draft a right tackle or guard in this draft because they took two OL guys in the first round.

No, no. Crying like a bitch would be what you are doing. You are having a wittle bitty temper tantrum, calling me all sorts of names and cap yelling and such. Take a deep breath, hold it in, slowly let it out...it's going to be okay.

in other words, I'm right.....and they drafted mangold #29....what that has to do with anything in regards to our #5 pick is beyond me

the jets drafted a lt, because they didn't have one, then drafted a QB at #5

the chiefs drafted a lt, and now instead of drafting a QB at #5, you want them to draft another LT

you're dumber than shit...the Jets are proof that you're full of it...I only pray we do what the Jets did at #5...DRAFT A QB

but thanks for admitting you were wrong, it was big of you

Saccopoo · 03-06-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

in other words, I'm right.....and they drafted mangold #29....what that has to do with anything in regards to our #5 pick is beyond me

Okung is my Mangold for this year. Actually, Okung is my LT and Albert is my Mangold.

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the jets drafted a lt, because they didn't have one, then drafted a QB at #5

the chiefs drafted a lt, and now instead of drafting a QB at #5, you want them to draft another LT

Nope. They drafted a top flight guard. I want them to draft a top flight left tackle now.

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you're dumber than shit...the Jets are proof that you're full of it...I only pray we do what the Jets did at #5...DRAFT A QB

That can be their pick next year when there are quarterbacks in the draft worthy of being a top ten pick.

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but thanks for admitting you were wrong

I didn't and I'm not.

**BossChief** · 03-06-2010, 02:32 PM

Hey sac, would you replace Ryan Clady if you worked for the Broncos?

He had a bad sophmore year too...how about Joe Thomas after his second year?

Clady gave up about the same sacks as Albert and in Joe Thomas' second year he gave up more than both of em.

get a clue

milkman · 03-06-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Okung's sac

But yet it's okay to say that Cassel sucks when he played behind what many people consider to be the worst, or lowest performing offensive line in football and when his receivers led the league in drops?

Sanchez doesn't suck, even though his statistics say he does, because he's a rookie, but he's playing behind what most consider to be the best offensive line in football.

It's really going to be hard to get a consensus on this. Cassel sucks dog nuts, but his stats are substantially better than what many around here think is QBOTF material in Sanchez, because Cassel has an additional year of playing experience, but he plays behind the worst line in football while Sanchez plays behind the best line in football.

So, then, you feel that experience is more important and is a greater determining factor in grading a quarterbacks performance than the quality of players surrounding the quarterback, correct?

You really have a hard copmprehending simple concepts, don't you?

Cassel was in the NFL, learning behind one of the best QBs in the league, with the best HC, and what many considered to be a damn good OC.

He had a year as the starter in the NFL.

Sanchez had two years behind a marginally talented college QB, playing for a guy considered a great recruiter, though not necessarily a great coach, and a very good college OC.

He had one year as a starter in college.

Bottom line, the years in the NFL should have prepared Cassel better than the years of college for Sanchez, and it showed.

But by season's end, Sanchez was showing the kind of QB that he can become in time.

He is more talented, throws a better, more accurate deep ball, has a stronger arm, and his teammates seem to love him, which makes him a leader.

One can argue, and since I'm the one here, I will be that one, that Cassel showed at the end of the season, with better protection and a running game to support him, what kind of QB he can become.

Does the word "mediocre" work for you?

**BossChief** · 03-06-2010, 03:24 PM

I love it how every conversation with sac nowadays ends when I bring up the fact that a lot of elite LTs struggle in their second year.

He is yet to answer that question and I have asked him it at least 5 times.

Must not like the answer...

**the Talking Can** · 03-06-2010, 04:23 PM

Cassel was worse as a QB at the end of the season than Albert was as a LT

in fact, one was getting worse and one was getting better...

so what is saccofbats solution? claim the Jets as a model and then do THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what they ACTUALLY did and draft a LT a #5...

brilliant

Saccopoo · 03-06-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I love it how every conversation with sac nowadays ends when I bring up the fact that a lot of elite LTs struggle in their second year.

He is yet to answer that question and I have asked him it at least 5 times.

Must not like the answer...

If you are happy giving Carl/Herm's guy one more year, then that's fine. We can draft Joe Barksdale with our first rounder next year and forgo any chance of a quality quarterback or receiver. Enjoy the safety if it makes you happy and think it's the best long term solution for the team. You've convinced me. I'll never post another pro-offensive line pick for this draft because you've made me see the light that Albert is elite and just needs another year in the system to finally have it click.

**BossChief** · 03-06-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

If you are happy giving Carl/Herm's guy one more year, then that's fine. We can draft Joe Barksdale with our first rounder next year and forgo any chance of a quality quarterback or receiver. Enjoy the safety if it makes you happy and think it's the best long term solution for the team. You've convinced me. I'll never post another pro-offensive line pick for this draft because you've made me see the light that Albert is elite and just needs another year in the system to finally have it click.

nice deflection.

I can say that if you are serious about the bolded statement (I know its a joke), the whole planet thanks you and we will be sending a collection plate around so that you can get NFL sunday ticket next year, that should help. j/k, you have to pay for ST yourself.

If a team consistently drafts the best player available, eventually they will have a team of the best players. Right?

We can fix this OL with a quality center and right guard and then in the future we can worry about lg.

Honestly I think Ocallahan is solid and we COULD be set at the position for a few years. He played very well down the stretch. You heard it right, I think the tackles could be set.

I like Okung a little more than I did before the combine, he showed he has elite strength and size, but he didnt bench his way into my pick, thats for sure.

Honestly, I think he will be similar to John Tait in the pros (I said this before mecca, not a slurper) and if we are gonna draft a LT we better go with Jake Long,oops I mean Brian Bulaga. Either way, it will be a HORRIBLE pick because that isnt enough of an upgrade over our current guy to warrant such a high pick. Especially in a draft that has so many outstanding defenders and our defense is garbage.

simple as that

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03-06-2010, 02:32 PM	#70
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1785912	Hey sac, would you replace Ryan Clady if you worked for the Broncos? He had a bad sophmore year too...how about Joe Thomas after his second year? Clady gave up about the same sacks as Albert and in Joe Thomas' second year he gave up more than both of em. get a clue __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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03-06-2010, 03:24 PM	#72
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1785912	I love it how every conversation with sac nowadays ends when I bring up the fact that a lot of elite LTs struggle in their second year. He is yet to answer that question and I have asked him it at least 5 times. Must not like the answer... __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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03-06-2010, 04:23 PM	#73
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9122208	Cassel was worse as a QB at the end of the season than Albert was as a LT in fact, one was getting worse and one was getting better... so what is saccofbats solution? claim the Jets as a model and then do THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what they ACTUALLY did and draft a LT a #5... brilliant __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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