Mock draft based on CBS Draft rankings

Ralphy Boy · 03-07-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So out of 27 picks (three rounds, 9 years), he chose three wide receivers, which equates to 11%.

He also turned around and traded one of the three.

I think it's highly unlikely he values Bryant more than Okung, Berry, Baluga, Williams or Clausen, especially given that he's a poor interview, has questionable character and didn't play in 2009.

I agree that some of those would be valued higher but Berry, Okung & Williams weren't options based on the criteria I stated. So out of the people you mentioned that basically left Bulaga & Clausen and I don't think Clausen is an option for Pioli.

I agreed with you that Bryant isn't the "likely" pick, fact is I think they'd reach for Tate over Bryant but he also wasn't an option in this scenario.

If you'd have said "Pioli's history indicates that he does not value skilled players in the first round", I wouldn't disagree. You didn't though.

He has picked 25 times in the first 3 rounds, between here and New England. 6 of those times he picked some fashion of a receiver. Each of the TE's were right around 250 or less and were all looked at primarily as receivers. 6/25 = 24%.

As I already said, you were right about D-linemen. He's all over them in the first round and I've said before I think we'll actually end up trading down or reaching on Dan Williams.

The "first three rounds":
O-linemen = 3/25 = 12%
Linebackers = 2/25 = 8%
Your assertion that "Pioli's history indicates that he does not value skilled players in the first three rounds (Maroney aside - who's a failure). Pioli is far more likely to draft offensive line, defensive line or linebacker." = 2/3 FAIL.

I would hope to hell he would value Berry higher than Bryant, but both he and Okung were gone under this scenario.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-07-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

I agree that some of those would be valued higher but Berry, Okung & Williams weren't options based on the criteria I stated. So out of the people you mentioned that basically left Bulaga & Clausen and I don't think Clausen is an option for Pioli.

I agreed with you that Bryant isn't the "likely" pick, fact is I think they'd reach for Tate over Bryant but he also wasn't an option in this scenario.

If you'd have said "Pioli's history indicates that he does not value skilled players in the first round", I wouldn't disagree. You didn't though.

He has picked 25 times in the first 3 rounds, between here and New England. 6 of those times he picked some fashion of a receiver. Each of the TE's were right around 250 or less and were all looked at primarily as receivers. 6/25 = 24%.

As I already said, you were right about D-linemen. He's all over them in the first round and I've said before I think we'll actually end up trading down or reaching on Dan Williams.

The "first three rounds":
O-linemen = 3/25 = 12%
Linebackers = 2/25 = 8%
Your assertion that "Pioli's history indicates that he does not value skilled players in the first three rounds (Maroney aside - who's a failure). Pioli is far more likely to draft offensive line, defensive line or linebacker." = 2/3 FAIL.

I would hope to hell he would value Berry higher than Bryant, but both he and Okung were gone under this scenario.

Your math is off.

Pioli was in NE for nine NFL drafts, not eight (2000-2008). Even in KC, he hasn't valuled skilled players, not taking one until the 6th round of the 2009 draft, despite a lack of talent at WR and perceived lack of talent at running back.

It would be a tremendous shock if he took anything other than a lineman or linebacker with the #5 overall spot.

Ralphy Boy · 03-07-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Your math is off.

Pioli was in NE for nine NFL drafts, not eight (2000-2008). Even in KC, he hasn't valuled skilled players, not taking one until the 6th round of the 2009 draft, despite a lack of talent at WR and perceived lack of talent at running back.

I don't think my math is off. Maybe you aren't accounting for taded picks.

In KC, he had one 1st & one 3rd last year. Total 2
In NE he had:
2008 1, 2, 3, 3. Total 4
2007 1, no 2nd or 3rd. Total 1
2006 1, 2, 3. Total 3
2005 1, 3, 3 no 2nd. Total 3
2004 1, 1, 2, 3. Total 4
2003 1, 2, 2 no third. Total 3
2002 1, 2, no third. Total 2
2001 1, 2, 3. Total 3
23 total in NE.

That's 25.

As far as your comment:

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Even in KC, he hasn't valuled skilled players, not taking one until the 6th round of the 2009 draft, despite a lack of talent at WR and perceived lack of talent at running back.

Seriously? You're going to break that out. Seriously? One draft here and you break out the "even in KC" card.

It's been pretty well documented that Pioli had almost no scouts that he trusted here last year, his forte was defense and we were converting to a 3-4. He didn't draft offensive help at all until the 5th round when he picked Brown and we all knew our o-line sucked.

Its all irrelevant, fact is you are probably right and we won't draft Bryant.

Now that you're done (God I hope your done) dwelling on the first rounder, what did you think about the rest of it?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-07-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

I don't think my math is off. Maybe you aren't accounting for taded picks.

In KC, he had one 1st & one 3rd last year. Total 2
In NE he had:
2008 1, 2, 3, 3. Total 4
2007 1, no 2nd or 3rd. Total 1
2006 1, 2, 3. Total 3
2005 1, 3, 3 no 2nd. Total 3
2004 1, 1, 2, 3. Total 4
2003 1, 2, 2 no third. Total 3
2002 1, 2, no third. Total 2
2001 1, 2, 3. Total 3
23 total in NE.

That's 25.

As far as your comment:
Seriously? You're going to break that out. Seriously? One draft here and you break out the "even in KC" card.

It's been pretty well documented that Pioli had almost no scouts that he trusted here last year, his forte was defense and we were converting to a 3-4. He didn't draft offensive help at all until the 5th round when he picked Brown and we all knew our o-line sucked.

Its all irrelevant, fact is you are probably right and we won't draft Bryant.

Now that you're done (God I hope your done) dwelling on the first rounder, what did you think about the rest of it?

Pioli was hired in 2000.

Ralphy Boy · 03-07-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Pioli was hired in 2000.

My bad, you're right. I had looked up his previous draft info a while back, while trying to get an idea who he would draft in the first round this year. Since they didn't have a 1st that year, I didn't write it down and forgot about that draft.

I should have counted it since his best draft pick ever was in the 2000 draft.

He added a OT Adrian Klemm with the 46th pick & RB JR Redmond with the #76.