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milkman · 03-07-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Cute, you net thugs slay me...

You fail at critical thought.
Why would we opt for a stop-gap at a position where we could find a long-term solution come April?
Don't worry...I'll wait.

Well, let me think about this for a second.

Let's see.

We need,

Center
RG
RT
Two Wrs
NT
Two ILBs
OLB
Two safeties
CB

We have,
A first
Two seconds,
A third
A Fourth
Two Fifths

In the draft.

You do the math.

Micjones · 03-07-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Well, let me think about this for a second.

Let's see.

We need,

Center
RG
RT
Two Wrs
NT
Two ILBs
OLB
Two safeties
CB

We have,
A first
Two seconds,
A third
A Fourth
Two Fifths

In the draft.

You do the math.

If Chambers is re-signed I think we'd only need 1 other WR in the draft.
And again, there's always the secondary waves of Free Agency.

Niswanger can play RG. I don't think that's imperative to upgrade this year.
O'Callaghan can stay on at RT as well.

I would like to see C, NT, ILB, OLB, S addressed in April.
That's 5 picks. And again... I'm NOT opposed to bringing in FA's. I've gone on the record about at least a half-dozen FA's I'd like to sign.

Pashos and Fujita weren't on it.

milkman · 03-07-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

If Chambers is re-signed I think we'd only need 1 other WR in the draft.
And again, there's always the secondary waves of Free Agency.

Niswanger can play RG. I don't think that's imperative to upgrade this year.
O'Callaghan can stay on at RT as well.

I would like to see C, NT, ILB, OLB, S addressed in April.
That's 5 picks. And again... I'm NOT opposed to bringing in FA's. I've gone on the record about at least a half-dozen FA's I'd like to sign.

Pashos and Fujita weren't on it.

Even if you throw out a couple of positions, you still have more holes than draft picks.

Signing a 2nd tier stopgap like Fujita to man a non-essential position like ILB gives you the chance to address other areas of need.

And the reality is, we aren't just talking about Fujita.

We are talking about 2nd tier free agents in general.

Micjones · 03-07-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Even if you throw out a couple of positions, you still have more holes than draft picks.

We can agree to disagree on this point.

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Signing a 2nd tier stopgap like Fujita to man a non-essential position like ILB gives you the chance to address other areas of need.

And the reality is, we aren't just talking about Fujita.

We are talking about 2nd tier free agents in general.

Still... I'm asking why we'd prefer a stop-gap over a longer-term solution at that position. But...I suppose we can agree to disagree here too.

milkman · 03-07-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

We can agree to disagree on this point.

Still... I'm asking why we'd prefer a stop-gap over a longer-term solution at that position. But...I suppose we can agree to disagree here too.

I think it's pretty clear that you value ILB more than I do.

In the draft, if I have the choice between an ILB and a WR, I'm going to take the WR if they grade out roughly the same respectively at their positions.

Micjones · 03-07-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think it's pretty clear that you value ILB more than I do.

Not necessarily. I'm just suggesting that I'd rather draft one than sign a 30-year old LB who won't have much left in the tank when it's time to make a run.

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In the draft, if I have the choice between an ILB and a WR, I'm going to take the WR if they grade out roughly the same respectively at their positions.

Sure...If it has to be one or the other.
I don't think it does, though.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-07-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Chill out, guys. The draft is FAR more important than any of this bullshit, and we have the Executive of the Decade.

Good one.

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Originally Posted by Laz

he knows more about football than you, so what does that say about yourself?

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Originally Posted by Laz

it's frustrating that we seem to be determined to avoid spending any real money on free agency.

in new england they generally always cheaped by in FA and it was successful so Pioli thinks he can do the same thing here. I just don't see it.

Talking Clap School of Eternal Flip-Flop much?

chiefzilla1501 · 03-07-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Well, let me think about this for a second.

Let's see.

We need,

Center
RG
RT
Two Wrs
NT
Two ILBs
OLB
Two safeties
CB

We have,
A first
Two seconds,
A third
A Fourth
Two Fifths

In the draft.

You do the math.

I get your argument and I agree and am also upset that the Chiefs haven't been more active in free agency. However, I do take exception to the string of posts that say we have so many "must fill" positions.

While I think those are needs above that would be good to fill, that's different from holes we need to fill. Can you live with one average safety? Yes. Can you live with two average ILBs? In my opinion, yes. Can you live with average play from your two guards? In my opinion, yes. No team is going to have great players at every position.

In this defense, I would argue that you absolutely must fill NT, OLB, I would argue one playmaker at safety. On offense, I would argue that if you sign Bowe/Chambers, you're okay for the short-term. And of course, you need a QB--starting to doubt that that guy is Cassel. At the rest of the positions, if we settle on "average", it's not going to kill us.

milkman · 03-07-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I get your argument and I agree and am also upset that the Chiefs haven't been more active in free agency. However, I do take exception to the string of posts that say we have so many "must fill" positions.

While I think those are needs above that would be good to fill, that's different from holes we need to fill. Can you live with one average safety? Yes. Can you live with two average ILBs? In my opinion, yes. Can you live with average play from your two guards? In my opinion, yes. No team is going to have great players at every position.

In this defense, I would argue that you absolutely must fill NT, OLB, I would argue one playmaker at safety. On offense, I would argue that if you sign Bowe/Chambers, you're okay for the short-term. And of course, you need a QB--starting to doubt that that guy is Cassel. At the rest of the positions, if we settle on "average", it's not going to kill us.

In discussing Fujita specifally, I'm talking about signing a second tier free agent to upgrade a non essential position.

He's an average LB.

We don't have one of those at ILB.

We have crap at ILB.