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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

but he is an elite leader.

What evidence do we have of this?

I'm not saying it isn't true, but the only evidence I have seen makes it more questionable than not.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What evidence do we have of this?

I'm not saying it isn't true, but the only evidence I have seen makes it more questionable than not.

Andy Studebaker (who is the only person who's opinion really matters) raves about Vrabel.

When (Studebaker) has questions, he knows where to turn. Vrabel, 34, played in four Super Bowls with New England, winning three. He has been a valuable resource for Studebaker, sharing with him "the ins and outs of outside linebacker."

"He has taught me a ton," Studebaker said. "He's the kind of guy who's an open door. He wants to teach you and help you. Before I met Mike I was like, 'Will he help me? Will I be on my own?' From day one, he's been a big-time mentor for me."

That was in Studebaker's hometown paper before the regular season started. So that's just after training camp, and he's already calling Vrabel his mentor.

This is from the same paper near the end of the season, in a story about Studebaker starting in Vrabel's absense.

If any confusion arose, Vrabel was quick to help. He was at every practice and on the sideline during games, going beyond what some veterans do while injured.

Studebacker said Vrabel eagerly “coached me up.”

Then there's the obvious stuff from the local media.

I'm sure this was posted here at the time, but it's conveniently forgotten every time the exact same people pop up to tell us -- usually in reference to Vrabel -- how "leadership" means nothing, vets don't help young players who are going to take their jobs, and any of the other bullshit that's easily disprovable no matter which team in the league you follow.