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Old 03-20-2010, 08:55 AM   #1
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That is all you took from the article?
I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:02 AM   #2
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I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.
Read the ****ing thing.

It actually gives far more insight than "the O-Line sucks".

You might actually learn something.















Oh, hell, who am I kidding?

Never mind.
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:09 AM   #3
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Read the ****ing thing.

It actually gives far more insight than "the O-Line sucks".

You might actually learn something.















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I just read it and it was 5 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Whats the ****ing point we already knew all this.
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:11 AM   #4
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I just read it and it was 5 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Whats the ****ing point we already knew all this.
There are a bunch of ignorami who don't know it. Good post by milkman.
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:20 AM   #5
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I just read it and it was 5 minutes of my life i'll never get back. Whats the ****ing point we already knew all this.
damn it took 5 minutes for you to read that? how long does it take for it to actually sink in?
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:26 AM   #6
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damn it took 5 minutes for you to read that? how long does it take for it to actually sink in?
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:28 AM   #7
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nope, and im smart enough to not be holding my breath
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:42 AM   #8
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What is a zone blocking scheme and how does it differ from the blocking scheme that we run?
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What is a zone blocking scheme and how does it differ from the blocking scheme that we run?
In a zone system, the linemen block an "area" rather than a specific "man". They just try to clear an area. Honestly, I think we've been running both depending on the play call.

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Old 03-20-2010, 11:50 AM   #10
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In a zone system, the linemen block an "area" rather than a specific "man". They just try to clear an area. Honestly, I think we've been running both depending on the play call.

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Hmmmm

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I've been told (although I don't know how accurate this is) that, generally, in a "zone" blocking system, you need more athletic linemen. That's why the goats brought in Wiegmann. He is/was very good in space. Whereas, in a "man" scheme, the linemen don't have to be quite as mobile.

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Old 03-20-2010, 09:03 AM   #12
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I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.
Nope you didn't read it.
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I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.
Looks like you've learned quite a bit whilst sucking on the nutsack of Dane.

Yes, it is VERY easy to be pessimistic about everything and to say it will always be as bad as it could be. You think you look like a genius when you HAPPEN to be right through no fault of your own, and you don't have to be disappointed when you're wrong, in fact, the worst you have to due is say you're glad he's doing well, so rough. It's a smart and easy game to play if you want to look like you know what you are talking about as most players never live up to the fans expectations.

Waters isn't really that bad of a player. Playing next to Niswanger would make about anyone look worse than they really are. He's not spectacular, but adequate.

Lilja failing that physical has been pretty well discounted by a few sources and I'm sure you know that. Not only that, but Lilja was a has been rated the top 16, and 14 player at his position out of more than 64 in '07 and '09 with a knee injury in '08.

Lilja's a very good run blocker, the best on the Colts line by a long shot, and we'll see about the pass blocking, was it all Manning? One thing is for sure though, the pass protection should be better at RG than at any point in time last season.

Plenty of people have been round and round with you about Weigmann. He's been a top rated center in this league each and every season since 2001. Two years ago, he was the #2 center behind only Nick Mangold, a 1st round center, and perennial stud. Last year being the only bad year he's had.

You know damned well that Denver abandoned their zone blocking scheme in favor of more power blocking last year. A power blocking scheme isn't going to favor a 285lb. center much, especially not when his team played a lot of 3-4 teams that year with some big ole nose tackles. Giving up 30lbs. on a guy would play a big roll in a bad season.

Fact is that he has been a proven stud when playing in a zone blocking unit. You realistically have no reason to think he'll be anything less than what he was from 2001-08, other than the fact that he is one year older than he was last year.

Get a clue ****-o.
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Waters isn't really that bad of a player.
You straight up don't know what you're watching.

Christ, he was the most penalized guard in the entire league last year.

He's done.
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Old 03-21-2010, 12:03 AM   #15
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You straight up don't know what you're watching.

Christ, he was the most penalized guard in the entire league last year.

He's done.
And you have selective reading. I said he wasn't that bad. Playing next to the Rude made him look worse. Not to mention Albert at the beginning of the season.

Waters had 8 penalties in 16 games. 4 were holding, thanks Milkman, and I'm sure the other 4 were probably false starts. Wonder how many of those came in the first half of the season when the team was amongst the worst I've ever seen fielded. Mostly b/c THEY JUST STARTED LEARNING THE NEW BLOCKING SCHEME. Go right to your GIF'd up and look at how CLUELESS this line was those first few weeks. There were sacks given up just b/c guys had NO CLUE who they were even supposed to block.

He's not as good as he once was, but as I said earlier, he's still adequate.
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