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Old 04-24-2010, 12:39 AM   #1
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When? In 2010? Big ****ing deal.

If this team had taken your Pioli projection of McClain, they'd be ****ed at safety.

If they took Berry but not an OLB, they'd be ****ed.

Face it: This team is a LONG way from filling all its holes and no matter who they chose, there are still going to be problems elsewhere.

not all problems are the same

a problem at nickel corner is not near as important as a problem at NT

and nickle cbs are easier to find than NTs

when you have 2 nts sitting in your lap in the 2nd round of a strong draft you don't draft a nickle cb (who was a reach anyways)

these decisions haunt us....
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:44 AM   #2
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these decisions haunt us....
You can't say that with absolute certainty.

At least this year, they took playmakers.

We'll see how it pays off in 2010 and beyond.
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:47 AM   #3
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You can't say that with absolute certainty.

At least this year, they took playmakers.

We'll see how it pays off in 2010 and beyond.
i absolutely can, we've been making them for years....no clue about value and which positions matter and which don't
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You can't say that with absolute certainty.

At least this year, they took playmakers.

We'll see how it pays off in 2010 and beyond.
Dane, an honest question:

Who makes more plays, a #2 WR or a slot WR?

A pass rushing OLB, or a nickel corner?

A nose tackle, or a tight end?
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:58 AM   #5
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Dane, an honest question:

Who makes more plays, a #2 WR or a slot WR?

A pass rushing OLB, or a nickel corner?

A nose tackle, or a tight end?
I'm not sure "slot WR" is the right way to term it, if they're really looking to make him the Chiefs version of Wesley Welker (Chris Mortensen's words, not mine...). The guy has 346 catches the last 3 years.

If that's what they're shooting for, I'd call it pretty valuable.
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Old 04-24-2010, 01:01 AM   #6
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I'm not sure "slot WR" is the right way to term it, if they're really looking to make him the Chiefs version of Wesley Welker (Chris Mortensen's words, not mine...). The guy has 346 catches the last 3 years.

If that's what they're shooting for, I'd call it pretty valuable.
Randy Moss isn't walking through that door, keg.
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Randy Moss isn't walking through that door, keg.
I'm glad you're here to point these things out. I don't know what we'd ever do without you.
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I'm glad you're here to point these things out. I don't know what we'd ever do without you.
Uh it's a valid point, you think Welker puts anything up remotely close to what he does if he's not playing with Randy Moss?
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I'm not sure "slot WR" is the right way to term it, if they're really looking to make him the Chiefs version of Wesley Welker (Chris Mortensen's words, not mine...). The guy has 346 catches the last 3 years.

If that's what they're shooting for, I'd call it pretty valuable.
Welker can't even be Welker without a deep threat. That doesn't bode very well for the Chiefs.
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Welker can't even be Welker without a deep threat. That doesn't bode very well for the Chiefs.

This year.

That doesn't make him a bad choice.
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Welker can't even be Welker without a deep threat. That doesn't bode very well for the Chiefs.
It took Welker a few years to become Welker. I think it's safe to assume that McCluster or anybody else drafted yesterday isn't going to be him out of the gates, either. So they probably have some time to find that deep threat. Assuming that's not Chambers' role.

I'm still way more worried about Cassel than anybody else at this point. He's now and forever going to be the cog that makes this thing either work or fail.

And I still say he's expendable if he has a bad season. I don't think you can discount the possibility that not drafting Clausen was as much a statement about Clausen as it was about Cassel. I think the league made a statement of something we already knew, that this was not a strong QB draft. 2011 is probably going to be a different story...

I also think, though, that they look at Cassel as someone they can make a better player (part of the reason Weis is here...) in 2010, whereas I think we (I include me in this) have already written him off.
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Dane, an honest question:

Who makes more plays, a #2 WR or a slot WR?

A pass rushing OLB, or a nickel corner?

A nose tackle, or a tight end?
I know where you're trying to lead me and I can only answer like this:

Apparently, Pioli felt the value at slot was higher than the value at OLB.

Apparently, Pioli felt the value at CB/Returner was higher than that at NT.

At this point in time, I'm not going to pass judgment because the Chiefs need ALL of those positions.

And the last thing I'm going to criticize beforehand is the choice of playmakers, which is exactly what I accused him of NOT taking last year.

I'm going to let this one run its course before making a determination. If it pays off, he's almost even for last year. If it doesn't, he's dug himself an even greater hole.
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I know where you're trying to lead me and I can only answer like this:

Apparently, Pioli felt the value at slot was higher than the value at OLB.

Apparently, Pioli felt the value at CB/Returner was higher than that at NT.

At this point in time, I'm not going to pass judgment because the Chiefs need ALL of those positions.

And the last thing I'm going to criticize beforehand is the choice of playmakers, which is exactly what I accused him of NOT taking last year.

I'm going to let this one run its course before making a determination. If it pays off, he's almost even for last year. If it doesn't, he's dug himself an even greater hole.
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"Bryan Bulaga will be the Chiefs first round draft pick." --Scott Wright
Having a bad mock draft and having opinions of players are not the same.

I don't think there's 1 person other than Scott Pioli that thought Javier Arenas was a 2nd round pick.
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