Chiefs Chiefs listing McCluster as a WR - Page 30

**petegz28** · 04-23-2010, 04:52 PM

Just reported on 810

keg in kc · 04-24-2010, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Welker can't even be Welker without a deep threat. That doesn't bode very well for the Chiefs.

It took Welker a few years to become Welker. I think it's safe to assume that McCluster or anybody else drafted yesterday isn't going to be him out of the gates, either. So they probably have some time to find that deep threat. Assuming that's not Chambers' role.

I'm still way more worried about Cassel than anybody else at this point. He's now and forever going to be the cog that makes this thing either work or fail.

And I still say he's expendable if he has a bad season. I don't think you can discount the possibility that not drafting Clausen was as much a statement about Clausen as it was about Cassel. I think the league made a statement of something we already knew, that this was not a strong QB draft. 2011 is probably going to be a different story...

I also think, though, that they look at Cassel as someone they can make a better player (part of the reason Weis is here...) in 2010, whereas I think we (I include me in this) have already written him off.

ChiefsCountry · 04-24-2010, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Potentially in next year's draft, to be fair.

We still won't have a QB though.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OleMissCUb

No kidding. That criticism of him is completely ridiculous because anyone with a brain and a set of eyes can tell he is running at about 4.4 speed (which is what he ran at his pro days).

Everyone's pro day numbers are inflated by .15 seconds.

lostcause · 04-24-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Randy Moss has made Welkers career, why is this not grasped? Without Moss teams would just sit on Welker and wait to jump those routes.

That is simply not true. Moss helped Welker, but Wes was proving to be a dangerous wide receiver in Miami before he was traded to the Pats.

**Rausch** · 04-24-2010, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I know where you're trying to lead me and I can only answer like this:

Apparently, Pioli felt the value at slot was higher than the value at OLB.

Apparently, Pioli felt the value at CB/Returner was higher than that at NT.

At this point in time, I'm not going to pass judgment because the Chiefs need ALL of those positions.

And the last thing I'm going to criticize beforehand is the choice of playmakers, which is exactly what I accused him of NOT taking last year.

I'm going to let this one run its course before making a determination. If it pays off, he's almost even for last year. If it doesn't, he's dug himself an even greater hole.

Dane done become an optomist...

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**DaneMcCloud** · 04-24-2010, 01:13 AM

Seriously, the amount of ****ing bullshit perpetrated by some people is not only ****ing stupid but disingenuous.

**Reaper16** · 04-24-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

It took Welker a few years to become Welker. I think it's safe to assume that McCluster or anybody else drafted yesterday isn't going to be him out of the gates, either. So they probably have some time to find that deep threat. Assuming that's not Chambers' role.

So... this sounds like you think McCluster is something of a project.

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Originally Posted by lostcause

That is simply not true. Moss helped Welker, but Wes was proving to be a dangerous wide receiver in Miami before he was traded to the Pats.

Mecca didn't say that he wasn't a good player. He's saying that Welker is so prolific in NE because of Moss as a deep threat.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-24-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you're not drafting for need and you're not taking the best players available at the positions you're drafting, what exactly do you call your draft approach?

Because you're talking about taking an OLB or a NT for the sake of taking those positions. That's drafting based on need.

And BPA is relative. McCluster and Moeaki could both be extremely valuable to a Weis offense. Like I said, Weis values versatility a lot more than he values players who do one thing well. He wants TEs who can block as well as they pass, so that he can deceive defenses. Same applies for a RB who can catch--probably the main reason they really seemed to covet Sproles.

The Chiefs were considering trading for Sproles, probably for the same pick they used for McCluster. And I think they would have been used in a similar way.

OleMissCub · 04-24-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Everyone's pro day numbers are inflated by .15 seconds.

lol, ok fine. The dude runs a 4.4, seriously. The fact that a question about his speed is even an issue at this point is a bit silly. He was the fastest guy on the field when he played his games in the fastest conference.

stevieray · 04-24-2010, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously, the amount of ****ing bullshit perpetrated by some people is not only ****ing stupid but disingenuous.

seems every year it becomes about individual, rather than team.

**Rausch** · 04-24-2010, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And BPA is relative. McCluster and Moeaki could both be extremely valuable to a Weis offense. Like I said, Weis values versatility a lot more than he values players who do one thing well. He wants TEs who can block as well as they pass, so that he can deceive defenses. Same applies for a RB who can catch--probably the main reason they really seemed to covet Sproles.

Moeaki is a TERRIBLE ****ing blocker...

Titty Meat · 04-24-2010, 01:16 AM

Are people really trying to argue McCluster is slow?

|Zach| · 04-24-2010, 01:17 AM

It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. There were some surprises. I question the TE pick the most I would say...but not really angry enough about it to go throat punch a cop with my dick.

lostcause · 04-24-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

So... this sounds like you think McCluster is something of a project.

Mecca didn't say that he wasn't a good player. He's saying that Welker is so prolific in NE because of Moss as a deep threat.

Fine. Would Welker be putting up 110 catches a season in Miami. No. Would he be putting up 80-90. Yes. For god's sake, the Pats traded a 2nd and a 7th for him. In today's prices, I could buy Brandon Marshall and Anquan Boldin for that kind of a deal. The kid can flat out play and Moss maybe adds 15-20 catches a season for him.

BryanBusby · 04-24-2010, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Funny you mention this, because Scott Wright put Arenas going to the Colts in Round 2 for his final mock.

Quotin dis again for Page 30.

Scott Wright is a complete tool. He denied up and down there was any chance at all of the Chiefs not taking Eric Berry at 5. Chiefs fans on his own board called his dumbassery, the Chiefs select Eric Berry and he acts completely shocked when they take Eric Berry. Says Pioli is dumb ass hell for taking a reserve in the 2nd round, but projects him to be drafted in the 2nd round in his very own mock right before the draft.

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