Chiefs Chiefs listing McCluster as a WR - Page 34

**petegz28** · 04-23-2010, 04:52 PM

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**Rausch** · 04-24-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Actually, his 4.44 40 in the pro day are lower than Sproles'. And his 4.58 time in the combine could be blamed on poor combine coaching. I believe he stumbled out of the gate on one of those and ran a slightly crooked path on another. Again, you can't watch him outrun secondaries in the college level and say the guy is 4.58 slow. There's no way. You can't even outrun a LB with that speed, let alone the entire secondary.

Secondly, 40 time isn't everything. He dominated the short shuttle and was phenomenal at making cuts because he's short and stays low to the ground. We saw with LJ how speed doesn't translate into changing direction or making sudden cuts, two things McCluster does outstandingly well.

It's not a smart pick.

Period.

Lets go ahead and say he is Dante Hall (and that is a high bar to set) he's still a long shot to last 4 years at that size getting consistently pounded by guys 3x his size.

Dominating at the college level and surviving at the pro level are completely different things...

Titty Meat · 04-24-2010, 01:32 AM

Soren Petro was talking about Gillberry playing OLB. Can he play the position? He was great last year he needs to play more IMO.

|Zach| · 04-24-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But that's horseshit and you know it.

There's a HUGE difference between "value" today and value in two years.

Some of those guys that went lower will not live up to expectations because it happens every year.

The true qualifier will be if Pioli is right or wrong.

Not who they "could" have chosen.

Mecca · 04-24-2010, 01:33 AM

Also why take Arenas when you just took McCluster isn't he a return guy too?

KC kid · 04-24-2010, 01:34 AM

Mecca, I am not picking on you bro, but you are complaing about Arenas being mocked to the 4th round. However, I think you were screaming for Griffen with pick 2A. He is still available in round 4. It works both ways.

KC kid · 04-24-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Also why take Arenas when you just took McCluster isn't he a return guy too?

I did agree with this too. McCluster HAS to be a good WR for this to be a good pick. Even if he is a GREAT third down back, this pick is fail cause we have Charles.

Mecca · 04-24-2010, 01:35 AM

Everson Griffen must have shit on someones head, that's pretty ridiculous that he's still there.

I'm more annoyed that we didn't get a nose tackle when there were several very good NT prospects.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But that's horseshit and you know it.

There's a HUGE difference between "value" today and value in two years.

Some of those guys that went lower will not live up to expectations because it happens every year.

The true qualifier will be if Pioli is right or wrong.

Not who they "could" have chosen.

I think the problem with the "could" factor is the fact that we are mad that the "could" would have been better players at more important positions.

Even if McCluster works out, or Arenas, or Moeaki, do they give you the same ROI that Clausen, Cody, Griffen, Graham, Williams, or any number of prospects would?

No.

So not only do you have the risk of uncertain players, you have a lesser potential positive return.

That's just ****ing foolish,and that's why they are poor picks.

BryanBusby · 04-24-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There are literally 5 guys you could interchange at every other pick than Berry, and it still would have been light years better than this.

Instead of continuing to troll the shit out of this, although it has been fun, I'll just say why I'm not flipping the **** out.

When the day 2 picks were first made, of course I was pissed. I would of rather had Golden Tate, etc.

Once I got the **** over it (This part is important), I actually just looked over and tried to make sense of the actual picks. McCluster is a dynamic kid, performed well in a tough conference and brings actual speed to a team that has very little after Jamaal Charles. The Chiefs increased the speed on a offense that was slower than a blue hair in the passing lane.

Arenas is another electric player that will help make sure Charles will be fresh as the lead ball carrier on offense. Leggett sucks ass and Carr gave Jabar Gaffney a career day in Denver. I did not want him anywhere near this team before the draft started, but I have to admit it...it makes sense too. He has the same listed height as Brandon Flowers. Flowers is just fine, but Arenas is too ****ing short to be a starting CB? Are you serious?

Asamoah was just a fantastic pick by Scott and was great value.

Moeaki, I won't defend that shit.

If it were my choice, my draft would look completely different than Scotts after Eric Berry. Oh well.

So far, I feel much better at this point than I did one year ago. Dare I say it? Maybe there is some hope?

chiefzilla1501 · 04-24-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Look you can almost sell me the whole McCluster thing and make sense with it, the Arenas pick, no, that pick sucks.

I don't think the pick sucks. Nickel back is an extremely underrated position. But there are others I would have taken there.

There are other guys I would have wanted for McCluster, but the pick seems to make sense if they're expecting to use him like Sproles. And Moeaki, in a Charlie Weis offense, makes all the sense in the world, if he can stay healthy.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-24-2010, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Are we back to playing cover 2?

So if we did, Flowers, Carr and now Arenas would be effective until age 35?

Why do you continually move the goalposts when called on your opinion?

KC kid · 04-24-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Also why take Arenas when you just took McCluster isn't he a return guy too?

I did agree with this too. McCluster HAS to be a good WR for this to be a good pick. Even if he is a GREAT third down back, this pick is fail cause we have Charles.

Mecca · 04-24-2010, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So if we did, Flowers, Carr and now Arenas would be effective until age 35?

Why do you continually move the goalposts when called on your opinion?

How is that moving anything, you listed the example as a guy who's been a cover 2 CB his entire career.

I get that you want to like the picks but seriously Arenas is going to have to be like the best returner in the league or be a far better CB than anyone thinks he is to make this pick look ok.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2010, 01:56 AM

Better than the worst draft in team history= good.

Awesome

chiefzilla1501 · 04-24-2010, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

It's not a smart pick.

Period.

Lets go ahead and say he is Dante Hall (and that is a high bar to set) he's still a long shot to last 4 years at that size getting consistently pounded by guys 3x his size.

Dominating at the college level and surviving at the pro level are completely different things...

I'm not setting the bar at Dante Hall. I'm setting it at Sproles.

And if he's Sproles, I'm more than comfortable with this pick. And I think he very well could be. Unlike Hall, McCluster is built like a brick house. He may be tiny, but he's not skinny by any stretch. And if he can take 25-30 carries in the SEC, he can handle 8-10 on the pro level, especially given that a lot of his touches will probably occur on the second level of the passing game.

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