CBS Sports Article On KS's 2nd Rd picks

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Forward Dante

What quality nose tackle did you want them to pick there? Cody is worthless and there wasn't much else there unless you wanted a reach for the ages.

Okay, once again, if it's SO DAMN HARD to get a NT, WHY THE HELL DID WE MAKE THE SWITCH TO THE 3-4?

I'm anxious to hear an answer from one of the Pioli ballwashers sometime.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Okay, once again, if it's SO DAMN HARD to get a NT, WHY THE HELL DID WE MAKE THE SWITCH TO THE 3-4?

I'm anxious to hear an answer from one of the Pioli ballwashers sometime.

A nose tackle isn't hard to get. Why do you think they're paid so little and almost never get drafted past the first round?

You just have to expend some kind of effort, which the Chiefs haven't done to date.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A nose tackle isn't hard to get.

then why don't we have one?

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Laz

then why don't we have one?

We have to wait and see what the plan is between Edwards, Smith, and that bit about Dorsey playing there...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

then why don't we have one?

Because we haven't tried. Not excusing it. But it's not like we have to dedicate a 2nd round pick. There could still be big space eaters in the undrafted area and Shaun Smith is a more than capable 1-year stopgap.

The sky isn't falling because we didn't take Cody.

And there's always next year. Why are we demanding that we pigeonhole ourselves into taking a NT this year if we don't necessarily like what's available? That is the DEFINITION of drafting for need.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because we haven't tried. Not excusing it. But it's not like we have to dedicate a 2nd round pick. There could still be big space eaters in the undrafted area and Shaun Smith is a more than capable 1-year stopgap.

The sky isn't falling because we didn't take Cody.

i didn't list JUST CODY ... i listed a dozen viable players we could take are highly talented and filled a need.

i sick and tired of dealing with incompetent GM's (Peterson,Dayton Moore)

not winning is one thing ... doing stupid shit like drafting Dante Hall and Benny Sapp in the 2nd round of this year's draft is another thing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

i didn't list JUST CODY ... i listed a dozen viable players we could take are highly talented and filled a need.

i sick and tired of dealing with incompetent GM's (Peterson,Dayton Moore)

not winning is one thing ... doing stupid shit like drafting Dante Hall and Benny Sapp in the 2nd round of this year's draft is another thing.

Again, Philadelphia was content with picking "Dante Hall" the pick after us. And they arguably need him less than we do. Stop treating that pick like it's a complete WTF pick. Lots of teams and experts seem to think he's enough of a weapon to justify the pick. Hell, he'll be asked to do a lot of the same things as Reggie Bush, but a full round lower.

I don't know how I feel about the Arenas pick. But if he's a solid nickel back, I don't see why that's labeled as a "gadget" player. You do realize that they play 50% or so of the snaps? And you do realize that we will never be able to beat a playoff team like Indy or NE or the Jets, etc... unless you have solid nickel/dime guys. It's not good enough to have a #1/#2 corner. You have to account for teams that have dangerous slot receivers. If he plays 50% or so of snaps in the nickel effectively and serves as a returner, then there is nothing wrong with the value of the pick.

As for people listed, look.... I thought Cam Thomas would have been a great pick for us in the third. He fell several rounds lower. If Baltimore doesn't pick Cody, who knows how low he falls. None of these NTs come off as anything close to a guarantee.

Did the Chiefs reach on any of their picks the past few days? It doesn't seem so. So what's the problem? Because we didn't rely on a need-based draft strategy? We're sort of flip-flopping here.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Laz

i didn't list JUST CODY ... i listed a dozen viable players we could take are highly talented and filled a need.

i sick and tired of dealing with incompetent GM's (Peterson,Dayton Moore)

not winning is one thing ... doing stupid shit like drafting Dante Hall and Benny Sapp in the 2nd round of this year's draft is another thing.

The Ravens can afford to miss on Cody if he turns out to be what he appears to be. A lazy ass slob who has woman tits because he has no pride.

And I don't want to hear about how nose tackles are supposed to be fat. Fat is one thing but flabby sagging flesh is completely another. There is no way that you can look at Cody and feel confident in his ability to motivate himself.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by penchief

The Ravens can afford to miss on Cody if he turns out to be what he appears to be. A lazy ass slob who has woman tits because he has no pride.

And I don't want to hear about how nose tackles are supposed to be fat. Fat is one thing but flabby sagging flesh is completely another. There is no way that you can look at Cody and feel confident in his ability to motivate himself.

I didn't just list cody ........

[Ralphy Boy]

All in all, I give the draft a D. If not for Berry, it would be an F-.

I'm grading on a curve, which Pioli set last year when he showed it was entirely possible to piss away a top 5 pick.

We had absolutely NO room for error. Our team won 4 games. We drafted two role players in the 2nd round. TWO!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care how good of role players they are, that is a FAILURE on the part of management. You simply cannot fuk up those picks when you have so many needs.

Both are too undersized to contribute at their respective position on an every down basis. Its as if Pioli, Haley, Weis & Crennel all created their checklist and simply forgot to include "Is a 3 down player".

Are we really to believe that Berry & Arenas improved our 31st ranked run defense?

We gave up 4.7 yards per rush. Teams attempted to run on us 531 times, thats the 3rd highest # of attempts and the 2nd highest average allowed.

We finished 31st in the league in sacks.

How would either of them help improve that total?

I see nothing to believe that we can be any better than we were last season on defense.

This really looks like a draft to help Cassel and I have no problem with trying to help him. He clearly needs it, but to pass on obvious problem areas is just stupid. They could have moved up for a defensive player, just like they did for Moeaki.

Why you give up so much for an injury prone TE who has proven so little in college I have no idea.

I'm not condemning the players, they might be great, but unless we address our lack of a NT and find a pass rush before the start of the season, we will suck again this year.



I had hopes for this draft going into it because Pioli did do a good job of addressing the offensive line issues prior to the draft but to fail to address what really are HUGE concerns just doesn't make a bit of f-ing sense to me.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

All in all, I give the draft a D. If not for Berry, it would be an F-.

I'm grading on a curve, which Pioli set last year when he showed it was entirely possible to piss away a top 5 pick.

We had absolutely NO room for error. Our team won 4 games. We drafted two role players in the 2nd round. TWO!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care how good of role players they are, that is a FAILURE on the part of management. You simply cannot fuk up those picks when you have so many needs.

Both are too undersized to contribute at their respective position on an every down basis. Its as if Pioli, Haley, Weis & Crennel all created their checklist and simply forgot to include "Is a 3 down player".

Are we really to believe that Berry & Arenas improved our 31st ranked run defense?

We gave up 4.7 yards per rush. Teams attempted to run on us 531 times, thats the 3rd highest # of attempts and the 2nd highest average allowed.

We finished 31st in the league in sacks.

How would either of them help improve that total?

I see nothing to believe that we can be any better than we were last season on defense.

This really looks like a draft to help Cassel and I have no problem with trying to help him. He clearly needs it, but to pass on obvious problem areas is just stupid. They could have moved up for a defensive player, just like they did for Moeaki.

Why you give up so much for an injury prone TE who has proven so little in college I have no idea.

I'm not condemning the players, they might be great, but unless we address our lack of a NT and find a pass rush before the start of the season, we will suck again this year.



I had hopes for this draft going into it because Pioli did do a good job of addressing the offensive line issues prior to the draft but to fail to address what really are HUGE concerns just doesn't make a bit of f-ing sense to me.

I completely agree. More unbelievable when you consider how Pioli ignored the OL last year. No way in hell to justify ignoring the front 7 this year - especially with two 2nd round picks. It doesn't matter the GM - it all seems exactly lke the past...