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[The Bad Guy]

Interesting info. But the news I got tonight was that Weis had no desire to be reunited with Clausen.

I was also told that the coordinators absolutely have input into player picks. Crennel was all over Berry for example. He wanted to run his pro day because of how much Monte Kiffin hyped him to Romeo.

I also don't believe that Haley is on any sort of hot seat, nor that the locker room was a problem last year. The problem in the locker room was Larry Johnson. Players continued to play hard for Haley all year. I really think Haley is an ascending coach. Romeo and Charlie also would not have signed on if Haley was just going to be here one year. Charlie has no desire to ever be a head coach again so he's not angling for anything. Romeo might, but I'm pretty confident Pioli is staying the course with Haley.

[johnny961]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Interesting info. But the news I got tonight was that Weis had no desire to be reunited with Clausen.

I was also told that the coordinators absolutely have input into player picks. Crennel was all over Berry for example. He wanted to run his pro day because of how much Monte Kiffin hyped him to Romeo.

I also don't believe that Haley is on any sort of hot seat, nor that the locker room was a problem last year. The problem in the locker room was Larry Johnson. Players continued to play hard for Haley all year. I really think Haley is an ascending coach. Romeo and Charlie also would not have signed on if Haley was just going to be here one year. Charlie has no desire to ever be a head coach again so he's not angling for anything. Romeo might, but I'm pretty confident Pioli is staying the course with Haley.

I have no connections or inside sources whatsoever, so I might be talking out my a$$ here, but I tend to agree with you. Romeo and Charlie both have solid resumes in the NFL and most likely had their choice of destinations. I do not think neither would have went somewhere that their input would not be taken seriously. Nor would they have walked into a messy situation involving the rest of the coaching staff. Truth to be known, Clausen was probably not high on our list. I'm thinking the current regime beleives we're set at that position. I may get tarred and feathered out of here for this one, but I also think that with the right supporting cast and better protection, Cassel can be a solid starter. I'm not claiming he's going to be the next Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, or the like but I think he will be a solid starter in the right system tweaked to his strengths and weaknesses. I may be eating crow on this one but those are my thoughts as of now. Our pass protection has got to improve this year though. He got sacked like 42 times last year and no telling how many times he got popped right after releasing the ball last year. Throw in the times the defender was right in his face and our QB was getting hurried ALOT and alot of plays didn't have time to develop. Almost any QB will have trouble in this scenario. Not like when Trent Green was behind our pro bowl line a few years back. You could have camped out behind that line. I'll shut up and stop ranting now.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by johnny961

I have no connections or inside sources whatsoever, so I might be talking out my a$$ here, but I tend to agree with you. Romeo and Charlie both have solid resumes in the NFL and most likely had their choice of destinations. I do not think neither would have went somewhere that their input would not be taken seriously. Nor would they have walked into a messy situation involving the rest of the coaching staff. Truth to be known, Clausen was probably not high on our list. I'm thinking the current regime beleives we're set at that position. I may get tarred and feathered out of here for this one, but I also think that with the right supporting cast and better protection, Cassel can be a solid starter. I'm not claiming he's going to be the next Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, or the like but I think he will be a solid starter in the right system tweaked to his strengths and weaknesses. I may be eating crow on this one but those are my thoughts as of now. Our pass protection has got to improve this year though. He got sacked like 42 times last year and no telling how many times he got popped right after releasing the ball last year. Throw in the times the defender was right in his face and our QB was getting hurried ALOT and alot of plays didn't have time to develop. Almost any QB will have trouble in this scenario. Not like when Trent Green was behind our pro bowl line a few years back. You could have camped out behind that line. I'll shut up and stop ranting now.

Why do people not look at the sack numbers for New England in '06, '07, and '08 and not recognize that, while the O-line here was bad, Cassel was every bit as responsible for that high sack number?

I want a ****ing QB that raises the level of play around him, not some scrub that will be okay when he's surrounded by superior talent.

And no, that QB I wanted was not Jimmy Clausen.

I'm just get ****ing tired of you dumbasses making excuses for a shitty ****ing QB.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by milkman

Why do people not look at the sack numbers for New England in '06, '07, and '08 and not recognize that, while the O-line here was bad, Cassel was every bit as responsible for that high sack number?

I think he WAS. But I also do subscribe to the fact that NE had a comparable record with him at the helm and last year. Neither are end-all arguments in his favor or against. I really think (hope?) the holding on to the ball too long can be coached out of him. By all accounts he is a dedicated student of the game with good work habits. That's quality number one. You might say then why didn't he learn on the bench in NE. My answer would be no matter how much you "study" you cannot implement what you learn in class on the field unless you actually do it too. Much like learning to drive. You may know exactly what you need to do behind the wheel but you will not do them until you spend some time there. His last year in NE was for all intents and purposes his rookie season. Then he had to face offensive upheavals in his second year without having gained an experienced veteran's savvy. We won't really know until way into the next season what we really have in him. If this all sounds TOO optimistic I admit that I'm trying to be a hopeful fan (with fingers crossed). But I bet that you as a Chiefs fan will agree the very best thing that can happen to the Chiefs is for Cassel to actually develop to be the QB that solves our QB problem, leaving our future draft picks free to use on studs in other positions.

[johnny961]

Originally Posted by milkman

Why do people not look at the sack numbers for New England in '06, '07, and '08 and not recognize that, while the O-line here was bad, Cassel was every bit as responsible for that high sack number?

I want a ****ing QB that raises the level of play around him, not some scrub that will be okay when he's surrounded by superior talent.

And no, that QB I wanted was not Jimmy Clausen.

I'm just get ****ing tired of you dumbasses making excuses for a shitty ****ing QB.

I guess I didn't make my point exactly clear here. Do I think we overpaid for an average QB? Absolutely. Would a pro bowl level QB with a cannon arm and pinpoint accuracy, along with flawless decision making be helpful? Without a doubt. But, the Cassel deal is a done deal, like it or not, and what he does bring to the table is a servicable package although there is a high probability that he'll never see a pro bowl or the hall of fame. And, right now IMHO, we have bigger fish to fry as far as needs are concerned, and you don't waste draft picks and/or big FA money on one position such as QB when you have other glaring areas that suck worse than the QB right now. Like run defense/pass rush and pass protection/blocking. Maybe a receiver that can consistently catch the damn ball. Thats the point I was trying to make was that I think we have bigger areas of need right now before an upgrade at QB becomes feasible. Take care of the things that are killing you the worst before looking at luxury upgrades that you can do without for now. You gotta see the big picture here, and right now there are things this team as a whole needs a hell of alot worse than a QB. Which is why I think we passed on Clausen or any other QB out there for that matter. Just my .02.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by johnny961

I guess I didn't make my point exactly clear here. Do I think we overpaid for an average QB? Absolutely. Would a pro bowl level QB with a cannon arm and pinpoint accuracy, along with flawless decision making be helpful? Without a doubt. But, the Cassel deal is a done deal, like it or not, and what he does bring to the table is a servicable package although there is a high probability that he'll never see a pro bowl or the hall of fame. And, right now IMHO, we have bigger fish to fry as far as needs are concerned, and you don't waste draft picks and/or big FA money on one position such as QB when you have other glaring areas that suck worse than the QB right now. Like run defense/pass rush and pass protection/blocking. Maybe a receiver that can consistently catch the damn ball. Thats the point I was trying to make was that I think we have bigger areas of need right now before an upgrade at QB becomes feasible. Take care of the things that are killing you the worst before looking at luxury upgrades that you can do without for now. You gotta see the big picture here, and right now there are things this team as a whole needs a hell of alot worse than a QB. Which is why I think we passed on Clausen or any other QB out there for that matter. Just my .02.

Since this drfat didn't have a QB that I really cared to take, I have no prblem with passing on QB.

But QB is a luxury?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Interesting info. But the news I got tonight was that Weis had no desire to be reunited with Clausen.

I was also told that the coordinators absolutely have input into player picks. Crennel was all over Berry for example. He wanted to run his pro day because of how much Monte Kiffin hyped him to Romeo.

I also don't believe that Haley is on any sort of hot seat, nor that the locker room was a problem last year. The problem in the locker room was Larry Johnson. Players continued to play hard for Haley all year. I really think Haley is an ascending coach. Romeo and Charlie also would not have signed on if Haley was just going to be here one year. Charlie has no desire to ever be a head coach again so he's not angling for anything. Romeo might, but I'm pretty confident Pioli is staying the course with Haley.

I've still not heard anything from "the source" thats been right on point for years with information. This time of the year there is so much BS and misinformation put out by teams you can't really trust anything, even if the source has been right in the past.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I've still not heard anything from "the source" thats been right on point for years with information. This time of the year there is so much BS and misinformation put out by teams you can't really trust anything, even if the source has been right in the past.

THANK YOU. funny how tribal left out that it wasnt from "the source"
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[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

THANK YOU. funny how tribal left out that it wasnt from "the source"
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The local media guy that gave me Weis was a done deal and the Berry pick is 2-0 but the rest of the "stuff" I get thats not from "the source" that is sent to me is full of BS and just flat out wrong info. I should buy shares of a salt mine.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The local media guy that gave me Weis was a done deal and the Berry pick is 2-0 but the rest of the "stuff" I get thats not from "the source" that is sent to me is full of BS and just flat out wrong info. I should buy shares of a salt mine.

so was this from the media guy? or is tw stirrin shit?
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[Frankie]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I also don't believe that Haley is on any sort of hot seat, nor that the locker room was a problem last year. The problem in the locker room was Larry Johnson. Players continued to play hard for Haley all year. I really think Haley is an ascending coach.

I agree with this. Maybe it's the homer side of me but I think Haley will be successful. I think he was learning on the job. The timing of the Gailey firing was a big mistake and we really didn't have a thought out 'O' after that. I think we beat the Donks at the end convincingly because he finally threw caution to the wind and let our guys play (not discounting the element of surprise, of course).

I say all of this with optimism, but even I hope it's not just fueled by my being a fan.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Interesting info. But the news I got tonight was that Weis had no desire to be reunited with Clausen.

I was also told that the coordinators absolutely have input into player picks. Crennel was all over Berry for example. He wanted to run his pro day because of how much Monte Kiffin hyped him to Romeo.

I also don't believe that Haley is on any sort of hot seat, nor that the locker room was a problem last year. The problem in the locker room was Larry Johnson. Players continued to play hard for Haley all year. I really think Haley is an ascending coach. Romeo and Charlie also would not have signed on if Haley was just going to be here one year. Charlie has no desire to ever be a head coach again so he's not angling for anything. Romeo might, but I'm pretty confident Pioli is staying the course with Haley.

If this is true, and Weis wanted nothing to do with him, I'll eat my crow and be happy we passed on him. Truly. Weis should know about Jimmy more than anyone. That's good enough for me.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

If this is true, and Weis wanted nothing to do with him, I'll eat my crow and be happy we passed on him. Truly. Weis should know about Jimmy more than anyone. That's good enough for me.

This

Clausen was dead to me after we passed on him with 2A. Throw that together with the rest of the NFL passing on him mulitple times and the only fair assessment is that he is a dumpster fire.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

If this is true, and Weis wanted nothing to do with him, I'll eat my crow and be happy we passed on him. Truly. Weis should know about Jimmy more than anyone. That's good enough for me.

It's hard to believe Weis wanted nothing to do with Clausen, or Tate for that matter, when those two were the primary reason why his collegiate coaching career had any glimmer of hope whatsoever.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

It's hard to believe Weis wanted nothing to do with Clausen, or Tate for that matter, when those two were the primary reason why his collegiate coaching career had any glimmer of hope whatsoever.

Kiper said it on Friday night before the McCluster pick: Make no mistake, this is Scott Pioli's draft.

I have a hard time believing that either coordinator was on board with either pick in R2, considering the talent on the board at the time.