Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 14

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Benn can be a #1 WR. At 50, I was talking about guys like Golden Tate or Damien Williams, who can be slot and #2 guys, respectively.

If we would have drafted any of those 3 at 36, let alone 50 for Tate or Williams, people would have universally lauded those as excellent value picks.

And Dave Meggett was a KR/PR/WR/RB

He had 530 receiving yards his rookie year and around 120 rushing yards, but was one of the best KR and PR in the league (although I don't see McCluster doing either one of those)

He was 5'7 190 pounds.

I guaran****ingtee you, that if you look at Pioli's history and absolute fealty to Parcells and the Patriot way, he didn't think of McCluster as Wes Welker, he thought of him as Dave Meggett.

Those who compare McCluster to Welker don't watch college football.

**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Hamas:

A legitimate question here:

What's the difference in selecting Tony Moeaki vs. selecting Sergio Kindle, not taking in their point of selection but factoring it more on taking a flyer on an injured player?

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First, there wasn't consensus opinion, it seems, on the severity of Kindle's injury.

Though the selection is higher, you're not giving up picks to select Kindle, and the risk/reward is entirely slanted in his favor. In KC, we've seen what the greatest TE in the game can bring, and we also have a pretty good idea what a high-quality rush backer can bring, too.

Which would you prefer?

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Those who compare McCluster to Welker don't watch college football.

Wow....what a leap..

And what makes you say that?

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Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

A possible explanation could be that he was good enough that no one threw in his direction? I don't know if that is the right answer...but it's a possible explanation.

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Shipley beat him up pretty bad. The thing is I don't hear alot about his cover skills everyone mentions his punt returning skills. Thats great for a late round pick not a second round pick.

**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Those who compare McCluster to Welker don't watch college football.

It's just because they're white.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Hamas:

A legitimate question here:

What's the difference in selecting Tony Moeaki vs. selecting Sergio Kindle, not taking in their point of selection but factoring it more on taking a flyer on an injured player?

mmaddog
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Kindle's knee issue WRT microfracture was something that one team felt he needed. He missed some time as a sophomore, but he doesn't have the catalog of injuries that Moeaki does.

Ultimately, if you want to pass on him for those concerns, I can understand, but it's funny that the same team that took Rolle when we didn't because of spinal stenosis concerns (Baltimore) did the same here.

What I can't understand is why you'd pass up not only Kindle, but Linval Joseph, Daryl Washington, Everson Griffen, Terrance Cody, Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, etc. multiple times.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Wow....what a leap..

And what makes you say that?

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For one Mccluster played RB. I don't think Welker was a game changer at WR for Texas Tech as much as teams feared him on special teams.

keg in kc · 04-25-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And for the record, this is the second year in a row that this is happened, so everyone should plainly expect it in 2011 too.

The team drafts, and 90% of the fans fall over backwards fellating the front office.

That's a load of shit. I don't know what ****ing draft you watched in 2009, or what town you were watching it in. Nobody liked last year's draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's a load of shit. I don't know what ****ing draft you watched in 2009, or what town you were watching it in. Nobody liked last year's draft.

That's revisionist bullshit, and I will bump the threads that prove as much.

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

First, there wasn't consensus opinion, it seems, on the severity of Kindle's injury.

Though the selection is higher, you're not giving up picks to select Kindle, and the risk/reward is entirely slanted in his favor. In KC, we've seen what the greatest TE in the game can bring, and we also have a pretty good idea what a high-quality rush backer can bring, too.

Which would you prefer?

First...why would you waste a pick that high on anyone that has had an injury that could affect his mobility?

I'm willing to concede that it might not have any effect and we could have chosen him and I would be wrong. But are you willing to concede that had we picked him and he got hurt in Training Camp/1st Game of the regular season that most, if not all, who were wanting us to select him would be bitching about wasting a high draft pick on a player we knew had an injury before?

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**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And what do you have? Hootie going from "disgusted" to comparing McCluster to Desean Jackson, Percy Harvin, and Wes Welker in five minutes. Javier Arenas turns into Devin Hester. McCluster (and look in the draft thread) changes from "McCluster****" to a dynamic playmaker over the course of four hours.

I have been with you more against you on this draft but I will disagree with this a little bit. I think most people didn't know who he was and was confused because he was listed as a RB. I know for me after listening what other experts have said and watched the video, wow this guy is as explosive as anyone I have seen. So I readily admit I was probably wrong about this guy and am kind of excited that he is on our team.

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Kindle's knee issue WRT microfracture was something that one team felt he needed. He missed some time as a sophomore, but he doesn't have the catalog of injuries that Moeaki does.

Ultimately, if you want to pass on him for those concerns, I can understand, but it's funny that the same team that took Rolle when we didn't because of spinal stenosis concerns (Baltimore) did the same here.

What I can't understand is why you'd pass up not only Kindle, but Linval Joseph, Daryl Washington, Everson Griffen, Terrance Cody, Torrell Troup, Cam Thomas, etc. multiple times.

Didn't Troup go in the 1st Round?

Sorry...but I'm one that sees Cody as Ryan Sims v2 just like Cam Thomas.

I don't follow football as closely as many here do...or at least enough to venture a guess anymore. But all the players mentioned above seemed to come with baggage that made more than 1 team pass them up.

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**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

First...why would you waste a pick that high on anyone that has had an injury that could affect his mobility?

I'm willing to concede that it might not have any effect and we could have chosen him and I would be wrong. But are you willing to concede that had we picked him and he got hurt in Training Camp/1st Game of the regular season that most, if not all, who were wanting us to select him would be bitching about wasting a high draft pick on a player we knew had an injury before?

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Nonsense.

This statement operates with the assumption that some on this board complain for the sake of complaining. To believe this type of assumption, one has to turn a blind eye to a mountain of posts offering some of the most nuanced arguments on the board.

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Shipley beat him up pretty bad. The thing is I don't hear alot about his cover skills everyone mentions his punt returning skills. Thats great for a late round pick not a second round pick.

I've seen the best get beaten like a whipped dog in one game...if you are going to guage a person on one game, you're bound to make mistakes.

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**BigMeatballDave** · 04-25-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

As others have said - 2 years ago. How's that one turnng out?

2 yrs ago? 2008? Charles? Albert? Flowers? You dont like these guys?

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