Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We needed a part-time offensive playmaker more desperately than a full time run stuffer, ILB or pass rusher?

Ask Jerome Harrison what he thinks we need.

I don't think many people are complaining about the players themselves, as much as they are upset that the draft fell right to us in terms of value and need, and we overlooked it.

For a HC to say that getting a KR was a "must" for a team that has the worst front 7/LB corp in football is criminal.

Kick returners don't win you championships. Neither do undersized part-time slot WR's.

One thing I can guarantee you is that you will NOT sniff a championship without having a solid front seven/run defense.

So, you disagree with the selections but admit the need? Or just disagree with the selections?

I have no problem with this draft. I'll take potential playmakers with great resumes any day of the week over a fatass NT and a Texas linebacker with possible medical problems.

The Chiefs needed playmakers and they needed help defensively up the middle. Apparently, they felt the offensive playmakers were more of an immediate need than run stuffers.

And let's replay the Cleveland game with Dorsey and see if Harrison breaks 150.

And I don't think there's a chance they even sniff a championship before 2012, which leaves them plenty of time to address the NT and linebacking positions.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you disagree with the selections but admit the need? Or just disagree with the selections?

Sure, KR and WR3 were a need. Needs that can and should be addressed in much later rounds, especially when 1st round talent falls to you at positions of much more desperate need.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I have no problem with this draft. I'll take potential playmakers with great resumes any day of the week over a fatass NT and a Texas linebacker with possible medical problems.

You keep saying that, while ignoring the other 5-8 players I've mentioned for the past 48 hours.

The draft couldn't have fallen any better for us. The BPA was either a NT, ILB or OLB at every pick in the 2nd round. Instead, we came away with part-timers/special teamers.

Because kick returners win championships.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sure, KR and WR3 were a need. Needs that can and should be addressed in much later rounds, especially when 1st round talent falls to you at positions of much more desperate need.



You keep saying that, while ignoring the other 5-8 players I've mentioned for the past 48 hours.

The draft couldn't have fallen any better for us. The BPA was either a NT, ILB or OLB at every pick in the 2nd round. Instead, we came away with part-timers/special teamers.

Because kick returners win championships.

Well, I was just as surprised as you and few others that they didn't take the defensive help that was available when they drafted. But that doesn't make them "wrong" for going a different direction.

They hired a new DC, brought in Smith to help at the nose, along with Berry and Lewis at safety. Javon Belcher will be in his second year, Studebaker his third, and Mays his second as a full time starter.

I think they believe that all of these players will be improved not only by coaching and more talent but by experience as well. I also believe they'll pick up some younger players at the 53 cut down, as teams try to slip guys through waivers onto the practice squad (the Steelers for instance took THREE ILB's this year).

I'm neutral on these moves. The Chiefs desperately needed playmakers and they needed help up the middle on defense. Only time will tell if they made the right decision but I'm not going to go all mental proclaiming they ****ed up again this year.

And I like the fact that they acquired a guy that could score from basically any offensive skill position.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I was just as surprised as you and few others that they didn't take the defensive help that was available when they drafted. But that doesn't make them "wrong" for going a different direction.

They hired a new DC, brought in Smith to help at the nose, along with Berry and Lewis at safety. Javon Belcher will be in his second year, Studebaker his third, and Mays his second as a full time starter.

I think they believe that all of these players will be improved not only by coaching and more talent but by experience as well. I also believe they'll pick up some younger players at the 53 cut down, as teams try to slip guys through waivers onto the practice squad (the Steelers for instance took THREE ILB's this year).

I'm neutral on these moves. The Chiefs desperately needed playmakers and they needed help up the middle on defense. Only time will tell if they made the right decision but I'm not going to go all mental proclaiming they ****ed up again this year.

So basically what you are saying is that you're perfectly fine with them repeating what you've ripped them for in the past.

Last year, they ignored our biggest needs in an offensive heavy draft. They thought the OL would be just fine.

That worked out great.

This year, they ignored our biggest needs in a defensive heavy draft, even though the league seemed hell-bent on making sure we got a superstar OLB/ILB/NT in the 2nd round. They think the front seven will be just fine.

Forgive me for thinking they know WTF they are doing.

Again, had there not been a laundry list of impact players at positions of desperate need available, I could live with a couple of luxury picks.

But there were no fewer than 8-10 guys that were borderline R1 talent that would have made a full-time impact on our biggest deficiencies.

And we passed, because Pioli thinks he's smarter than the rest of the league.

He's a trend setter - KR's win championships.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So basically what you are saying is that you're perfectly fine with them repeating what you've ripped them for in the past.

Last year, they ignored our biggest needs in an offensive heavy draft. They thought the OL would be just fine.

That worked out great.

This year, they ignored our biggest needs in a defensive heavy draft, even though the league seemed hell-bent on making sure we got a superstar OLB/ILB/NT in the 2nd round. They think the front seven will be just fine.

Forgive me for thinking they know WTF they are doing.

Again, had there not been a laundry list of impact players at positions of desperate need available, I could live with a couple of luxury picks.

But there were no fewer than 8-10 guys that were borderline R1 talent that would have made a full-time impact on our biggest deficiencies.

And we passed, because Pioli thinks he's smarter than the rest of the league.

He's a trend setter - KR's win championships.

What I ripped them for last year was taking a ****ing 5 tech at #3 overall and being WRONG about him as a player. If they had taken Harvin, Matthews, Sanchez, Oher, Crabtree or Cushing at #3, it may have looked like a reach but in reality, it wasn't.

I also ripped them for taking another 5 tech in round three, taking a CB in round four and so on, while ignoring real needs at WR and offensive line. And while I was correct about Louis Murphy in the 4th, Urbick's been a disaster in Pittsburgh and can't get on the field.

In 2010, they addressed needs with playmakers. They may not be the needs that you felt need to be addressed at the time, but they did need to be addressed.

The only offensive playmaker on the roster was Jamal Charles. Now, they've added a guy like McCluster which can score from any skill position. If they had "reached" for a guy like Linval Joseph, I would have been fine with that but at least they addressed a position of need with a playmaker.

They took Arenas, who Gruden described as a Ronde Barber like player (having seen him in high school and the SEC) over a fatass like Cody or an ILB like Washington, Lee, etc. Again, they addressed a position of need (nickel back) and the return game, getting the most dynamic returner in the nation. I'd have been fine with Lee or Washington but Arenas addressed two needs in one player.

As I stated in a different thread, I think that Pioli is approaching this team as a complete rebuilding project and he's going to put HIS type of players on this football team. I think it's going to be 2012 at the earliest before they're ready to consistently compete for championships, but I think I at least understand the method behind his apparent madness.

Whether it works or not, time will tell.