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Old 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM  
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Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+
I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:08 PM   #301
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Who's projected McCluster or Arenas to be busts? I haven't seen it.

What I have seen is people upset that Pioli apparently values part timers, special teamers and TE's more than players at core positions. And that he apparently has a short memory, because we drafted a nickle CB, KR and traded up for a TE just LAST YEAR.

Sure, a KR is nice to have, but is it more important than shoring up the worst run defense in the league when there are highly graded ILB's and NT's available?

This board universally wanted them to plug the gaping holes in our front seven, and the board fell perfectly for them to do so.

Funny how just a day later, people are fine with not filling those holes and taking luxury picks instead.
I'm not fine with it, I've come to terms with it. I've been a fan since the early 80s. I was pissed 2 days ago. I'm over it. Staying pissed about it isnt healthy and isnt gonna change things. Just trying to find a silver lining...
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:08 PM   #302
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Mel Kiper, Walter Football, Hamas Jenkins...just because their BPA is a NT...doesn't mean he's the BPA on the Chiefs board.

You guys are colossal morons and you prove it every single draft weekend.
Yep just like you defended that giant turd of a draft from last year.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:09 PM   #303
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:09 PM   #304
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You know what's funny?

EVERYONE sees it...

Except Chiefs fans.

This team is going to be and up and coming team and this draft...PROVED to me...Scott Pioli will be a great GM for this franchise.

He's building a team exactly how he sees fit...first 5 picks...high character guys, team captains, LIVE AND BREATH football...and all have tremendous ability.

For years everyone is so excited about Gosselin's mocks and his top 100...and we landed 5 guys who were in the what, top 60?

I have a great, great, great feeling about this draft class.
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Get out that Koolaid Pioli pic because that's what we're back too, and stunningly we are right back to the same uneducated posters screaming "Pioli" as if he were unquestionable, it's last year all over again.
Hey, its Debbie Downer. Excuse me, I need some Prozac before I start reading your posts...
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:10 PM   #306
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Mel Kiper, Walter Football, Hamas Jenkins...just because their BPA is a NT...doesn't mean he's the BPA on the Chiefs board.

You guys are colossal morons and you prove it every single draft weekend.

....LOL......"This".....LOL..


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Old 04-25-2010, 04:11 PM   #307
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Drafting untalented team captains doesn't win games, we drafted a safety who ran a slower time than some of the OT's, there are great character people that post here, I don't want them suiting up for the Chiefs.

Scott Pioli is building a boyscout troupe, that's nice, it doesn't win games.

Of course reading Hootie's posts are always humorous because the guy would literally defend any pick.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:11 PM   #308
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Because he's more uneducated about this topic than even you are?
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:12 PM   #309
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Yep just like you defended that giant turd of a draft from last year.
I don't think I defended it at all...

Last year...

I was 100% on the...

Well, I have no idea, these aren't exciting picks but Pioli is the executive of the decade fence...

and we still have no idea whether or not that draft class is a failure yet anyways...depends on Jackson and Cassel...so far, off to a bad start.

But at no point was I like "wow, this class is going to be great!" last year...at NO point.

This year...wow...I feel 100% confident we had a MONSTER draft...

Berry and Asomoah are locks...McCluster and Arenas have game changing ability and tremendous track records...and if their game transitions into the pro game...wow. Right there. We win...

Anything we get from Moeaki or our 5th round picks is just gravy.
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This is laughable bullshit

It really is.

Reaper...NEWSFLASH...your best available player isn't Scott Pioli's best available player...

Just because you have "Player X" as your best available doesn't mean Scott Pioli, or any other GM, has that same draft board...

In fact, I find it hilarious that you amateur draft "experts" don't understand that SIMPLY concept...

CLEARLY...the Chiefs were drafting the best on their board when they were on the clock...
I'm not sure that they were even doing that, unless they limited their board to very specific kinds of players. For instance, Haley talked about KR being not just a need, but a must. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board at times to players with return ability. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board to team captains. I just don't get the sense that Pioli's board took into account a broad swath of players. They seemed to go really specialized for this draft.
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I don't think I defended it at all...

Last year...

I was 100% on the...

Well, I have no idea, these aren't exciting picks but Pioli is the executive of the decade fence...

and we still have no idea whether or not that draft class is a failure yet anyways...depends on Jackson and Cassel...so far, off to a bad start.

But at no point was I like "wow, this class is going to be great!" last year...at NO point.

This year...wow...I feel 100% confident we had a MONSTER draft...

Berry and Asomoah are locks...McCluster and Arenas have game changing ability and tremendous track records...and if their game transitions into the pro game...wow. Right there. We win...

Anything we get from Moeaki or our 5th round picks is just gravy.
Yes, you did.

You spent the entire ****ing draft weekend talking about how Pioli is a GM and we aren't etc etc, hey just like now.
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Who's projected McCluster or Arenas to be busts? I haven't seen it.

What I have seen is people upset that Pioli apparently values part timers, special teamers and TE's more than players at core positions. And that he apparently has a short memory, because we drafted a nickle CB, KR and traded up for a TE just LAST YEAR.

Sure, a KR is nice to have, but is it more important than shoring up the worst run defense in the league when there are highly graded ILB's and NT's available?

This board universally wanted them to plug the gaping holes in our front seven, and the board fell perfectly for them to do so.

Funny how just a day later, people are fine with not filling those holes and taking luxury picks instead.
1.) What you claim are luxury picks are obviously not. Anyone who understands football understands that you need tight ends, for example.

2.) I keep getting confused. How does a NT that falls to the 5th round end up being "highly graded"? Who's doing that grading and, if that grade is accurate, why the hell aren't other teams jumping on those players? Rather than bitching at the team for not drafting that future HOFer, perhaps you should be re-evaluating the analysts.

3.) Just to point to a specific player as an example.... Cody was being derided by many here and/or elsewhere for being a big fat player who was too slow, etc... The team that took him will be using him in a 4-3, where his lack of speed and mobility will be less of a problem. How is it suddenly supposed to be a disaster that this kid got passed up by the Chiefs?

4.) You continue to post as if you expect every draft pick to be an instant success in order to avoid bust status. That's clearly not the case. No players busts from the 7th round, just for an easy example. Missing on picks does not prove a team/GM/front office sucks, it just proves that it's the same as every other front office throughout NFL history.

5.) Your opinion on BPA is exactly that. It's opinion, not fact.
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I'm not sure that they were even doing that, unless they limited their board to very specific kinds of players. For instance, Haley talked about KR being not just a need, but a must. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board at times to players with return ability. Perhaps the Chiefs were limiting their board to team captains. I just don't get the sense that Pioli's board took into account a broad swath of players. They seemed to go really specialized for this draft.
Given their track record, I'd be surprised if they had more than 150 guys on their board. Probably less than that.
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