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Old 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM  
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Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+
I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:36 PM   #346
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No need to read any further.

4.7 yards per carry allowed, 31st in the league.

The last ranked team allowed 4.8 yards per carry.

To allow an AVERAGE of almost 5 yards a carry in this league, you have to be giving up a lot of big runs.
Chiefs gave up more runs over 20 yards than all but six teams. And they forced only five fumbles, 27th.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:36 PM   #348
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The other side of the coin is that the complainers are projecting busts out of the players taken and projecting greatness out of players who fell to the 5th round.

Why should one side be free to go over-the-top, but not the other?
That's not true.

Dexter McCluster is a guy with playmaker potential, a combination Dante Hall/Wes Weswelker, but I still believe he's a part time player, and players that OTW and I have both talked about were guys that could be full time playmakers in this defense.

None of us are saying Dexter McCluster is a bad player.
He was a bad selection for the Chiefs at that spot.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:36 PM   #349
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Dorsey missed one game.

And IIRC, the Ravens ran for over 200 yards in the opener.
The Ravens ran for over 200 yards against a lot of people.

The Chiefs defensive improvement is also going to come from coaching, which to me can make a huge difference on a defensive line.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:36 PM   #350
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yeah and if you watched the opener...you know that it was the pass that really killed us...

they opened up their running game by gashing us with the pass over and over and over again for three quarters...and then Ray Rice put us away after our entire D was totally gassed...

But hey...
So the pass defense sucks too, you are aware this team ranked 31st in run D right?

So is your argument that we suck at everything?
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:37 PM   #351
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you know why we were drafting primarily team captains?

NEWS ****ING FLASH

Generally the best players on a team...as long as they have a hint of character...are team ****ing captains.
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That's not true.

Dexter McCluster is a guy with playmaker potential, a combination Dante Hall/Wes Weswelker, but I still believe he's a part time player, and players that OTW and I have both talked about were guys that could be full time playmakers in this defense.

None of us are saying Dexter McCluster is a bad player.
He was a bad selection for the Chiefs at that spot.
People are clamoring for Cody, who would essentially be a part-time player as well. He's not staying in on passing downs.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:37 PM   #353
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But we need a kick returner/slot CB more, if they wanted to take McCluster I can somewhat accept that, but to turn around and take another returner and ignore the front 7 is criminal.
Mecca, I'd like for you to prove that you don't speak in absolutes and answer my question from earlier:

Which offensive lineman, outside of rounds one and two, were so amazing that it's crazy that we passed up?
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:37 PM   #354
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just remember...

our board guru took Clausen #1 overall (#48) and Bruce Campbell in the 1st round (he fell to what, pick #106?)...

This is the guy that says the Chiefs don't understand value.
We have so many guru's on this board....which one predicted this?
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The Ravens ran for over 200 yards against a lot of people.

The Chiefs defensive improvement is also going to come from coaching, which to me can make a huge difference on a defensive line.
Coaching, scheme, improvement from year one to year two for players like Mays, Belcher and Jackson, in addition to Lewis and Berry.

Some people around here act as if the Chiefs didn't do a ****ing thing to improve their defense this offseason.
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So the pass defense sucks too, you are aware this team ranked 31st in run D right?

So is your argument that we suck at everything?
Basically.

For the first 10 games of last season...

I was MUCH more frustrated with our pass defense then our rush defense...

I was generally excited to see teams run on 1st and 2nd down against us...

We were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 12.

We drastically improved our secondary this weekend.
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The Ravens ran for over 200 yards against a lot of people.

The Chiefs defensive improvement is also going to come from coaching, which to me can make a huge difference on a defensive line.
This belief that these coaches are riding in on white horses to turn shitty players into all pro's is not going to end well..

I remember last year "hey we'll win 4-5 more games on coaching alone!"

I see it's back.
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:38 PM   #358
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This board universally wanted them to plug the gaping holes in our front seven, and the board fell perfectly for them to do so.

Funny how just a day later, people are fine with not filling those holes and taking luxury picks instead.
I don't want anyone to get the impression I am fine with it. Outside of the Berry and McCluster pick which I think were pretty good I was not happy with most of their decisions.
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probably false hope like usual but I'm hoping we get something out of Derrick Johnson...I'm sure that hint of hope he gave us against Denver was probably a fluke, though =(
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