Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I like Benn a lot...I think Benn fell because of Juice Williams.

Tate? Meh. I do like Tate...but I think he has a much better chance of being a bust than McCluster...

I can't believe everyone isn't simply STOKED that we added a guy with McCluster's skill set and we're going to use him in the slot...

That guy is amazing in space...and that's what the Chiefs are going to try and do...get him the ball and let him do his thing...

It'll make Cassel's job a hell of a lot easier, too.

McCluster can MOST DEFINITELY make Cassel a better player...

Does Tate possess that ability? I don't think so...

Hootie. Listen.

I'd be thrilled with it if we hadn't passed on guys that would solve our pass rushing and/or ILB issue for the next decade.

It will make most fans happy, because they loved Grandpa Dick's Circus Offense, and were content scoring 30 PPG and losing.

I want to see some balance, and as I showed earlier, though no one wants to admit it, the offense was much farther along going into Thrusday night than the defense was.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Hootie. Listen.

I'd be thrilled with it if we hadn't passed on guys that would solve our pass rushing and/or ILB issue for the next decade.

It will make most fans happy, because they loved Grandpa Dick's Circus Offense, and were content scoring 30 PPG and losing.

I want to see some balance, and as I showed earlier, though no one wants to admit it, the offense was much farther along going into Thrusday night than the defense was.

Just to be clear here, there were guys available at our pick in the second round who would have definitely solved our pass rushing and/or ILB issues for the next decade? If that is correct, who specifically are these players? I'm a bit shocked that these guys weren't drafted higher, given their guaranteed long-term production.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Hootie. Listen.

I'd be thrilled with it if we hadn't passed on guys that would solve our pass rushing and/or ILB issue for the next decade.

It will make most fans happy, because they loved Grandpa Dick's Circus Offense, and were content scoring 30 PPG and losing.

I want to see some balance, and as I showed earlier, though no one wants to admit it, the offense was much farther along going into Thrusday night than the defense was.

But I think you're ruling out the fact that we'll have plenty of opportunity to find these guys over the next few years.

I don't think this even remotely says that Pioli is satisfied with the front 7. I think we'll be aggressive in free agency next offseason, where we can probably find a pass rusher and maybe a Nose Tackle like Wilfork. And I think that over the next two drafts and the offseason, we can fix the ILB problem. And while you'll overpay for those guys, at least you know exactly what you'll get.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But I think you're ruling out the fact that we'll have plenty of opportunity to find these guys over the next few years.

I don't think this even remotely says that Pioli is satisfied with the front 7. I think we'll be aggressive in free agency next offseason, where we can probably find a pass rusher and maybe a Nose Tackle like Wilfork. And I think that over the next two drafts and the offseason, we can fix the ILB problem. And while you'll overpay for those guys, at least you know exactly what you'll get.

It doesn't take 5 years to rebuild a football team, no matter how poor it is.

Pioli and Jim Schwartz started their rebuilding process at the same time.

From the looks of it, Schwartz is well ahead of Pioli - though no one will admit it because of Detroit's history.

No one wants to admit that a franchise like Detroit is doing a better job rebuilding than we are.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Dinner time. I'm out..

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It doesn't take 5 years to rebuild a football team, no matter how poor it is.

Pioli and Jim Schwartz started their rebuilding process at the same time.

From the looks of it, Schwartz is well ahead of Pioli - though no one will admit it because of Detroit's history.

No one wants to admit that a franchise like Detroit is doing a better job rebuilding than we are.

The difference is that Pioli isn't going to be happy until he's got HIS 53 guys in place.

It's a huge gamble, IMO, but it's one that Clark Hunt is obviously willing to take.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The difference is that Pioli isn't going to be happy until he's got HIS 53 guys in place.

It's a huge gamble, IMO, but it's one that Clark Hunt is obviously willing to take.

I'll take that response as you saying that Detroit does have more talent than us, mainly because they don't value leadership over talent.

At this point, they really are only missing a lockdown corner and a true LTOTF. Though it is entirely possible that Fox could become that guy.


My guess is that they'll win 5-6 games this year in a brutal division, and we'll win the same amount in a terrible division and playing a weak schedule.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'll take that response as you saying that Detroit does have more talent than us, mainly because they don't value leadership over talent.

At this point, they really are only missing a lockdown corner and a true LTOTF. Though it is entirely possible that Fox could become that guy.


My guess is that they'll win 5-6 games this year in a brutal division, and we'll win the same amount in a terrible division and playing a weak schedule.

The Lions are only a corner and LT away? Really? The Lions right side of the line is terrible. Cherilus is awful. They have Julian Peterson at linebacker and that's it. They have Gunther calling their defense.

I just don't get all this Lions love. They have Calvin, Delmas, Suh and Stafford. I'm no Javid Best fan due to his concussion issues and size.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'll take that response as you saying that Detroit does have more talent than us, mainly because they don't value leadership over talent.

At this point, they really are only missing a lockdown corner and a true LTOTF. Though it is entirely possible that Fox could become that guy.

My guess is that they'll win 5-6 games this year in a brutal division, and we'll win the same amount in a terrible division and playing a weak schedule.

Dude, please.

You should know me much better by now. If I'm out to make a point, I'll make a point. I bypassed this in favor of answering your other question because it's kind of silly and pointless to compare both rosters, man by man. And in all honesty, I think the Chiefs have better coordinators and more talent on the whole than Detroit, outside of the QB position and the WR position.

The Chiefs could easily win six this year. If the ball rolls their way, they could conceivably win eight. Now, there's virtually no chance they make the playoffs but if their personnel decisions are even 50% correct (TJ, Weignman, Lilja along with the draft), I find it very difficult to argue that this team isn't dramatically improved.

They're not improved enough to challenge for the division title or a playoff spot, but they are improved.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, please.

You should know me much better by now. If I'm out to make a point, I'll make a point. I bypassed this in favor of answering your other question because it's kind of silly and pointless to compare both rosters, man by man. And in all honesty, I think the Chiefs have better coordinators and more talent on the whole than Detroit, outside of the QB position and the WR position.

The Chiefs could easily win six this year. If the ball rolls their way, they could conceivably win eight. Now, there's virtually no chance they make the playoffs but if their personnel decisions are even 50% correct (TJ, Weignman, Lilja along with the draft), I find it very difficult to argue that this team isn't dramatically improved.

They're not improved enough to challenge for the division title or a playoff spot, but they are improved.

Why is it silly to compare, Dane?

Some of us were championing Schwartz as the new HC of the Chiefs.

He was hired at the same time as Pioli/Haley.

Why is it silly to compare two teams that started over, both with next to nothing on their roster?

I know that if I were trying to make the point that KC has done a better job over the past 15 months, I wouldn't want to compare the rosters either.

This isn't a knock on you personally. You're my boy. But the overall tone of this place is EXACTLY like last year.

Everyone hates the picks initially, (sans Berry and Asomoah) then begin to rationalize it because some pundits like it - instead of sticking to their opinion.

It happened after the Cassel trade, it happened after last year's draft, and it happened this weekend.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Dude, please.

You should know me much better by now. If I'm out to make a point, I'll make a point. I bypassed this in favor of answering your other question because it's kind of silly and pointless to compare both rosters, man by man. And in all honesty, I think the Chiefs have better coordinators and more talent on the whole than Detroit, outside of the QB position and the WR position.

The Chiefs could easily win six this year. If the ball rolls their way, they could conceivably win eight. Now, there's virtually no chance they make the playoffs but if their personnel decisions are even 50% correct (TJ, Weignman, Lilja along with the draft), I find it very difficult to argue that this team isn't dramatically improved.

They're not improved enough to challenge for the division title or a playoff spot, but they are improved.

Yup. I agree.

I even think last year as bad as this team was last year, they could've won 6 or 7 games. Only reason I say that, they blew 2 or 3 they should of won. And, if you think about it, lets say Charles started the whole season alone from game 1, I think just having him alone would of helped us win a couple of more games.

LJ sucked so bad, and he was clearly a big reason why this team and offense was atrocious from the start. As soon as the Chiefs released him and Charles started, they were a bit of a different team.

*I think they could win 7 this year. You're right not improved enough to challenge for a playoff spot. I think they will though once they improve the defense.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It doesn't take 5 years to rebuild a football team, no matter how poor it is.

Pioli and Jim Schwartz started their rebuilding process at the same time.

From the looks of it, Schwartz is well ahead of Pioli - though no one will admit it because of Detroit's history.

No one wants to admit that a franchise like Detroit is doing a better job rebuilding than we are.

As we all know, Pioli shit the bed in 2009. There's no excuse for that. That's the main reason we're behind Detroit. But the 2009 season is behind us now. Grill me if you want, but even though he shit the bed in 2009, I'm fine if we get it right every year going forward.

And I like the approach to the 2010 draft. It wasn't a panic reflex to make up for last year's mistakes. It wasn't a panic to fill needs. It was based on sticking to their board and picking guys at the right value. You may not like the pick, but pretty consistently everyone outside of KC seems to believe that very few of these guys were reaches.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But I think you're ruling out the fact that we'll have plenty of opportunity to find these guys over the next few years.

I don't think this even remotely says that Pioli is satisfied with the front 7. I think we'll be aggressive in free agency next offseason, where we can probably find a pass rusher and maybe a Nose Tackle like Wilfork. And I think that over the next two drafts and the offseason, we can fix the ILB problem. And while you'll overpay for those guys, at least you know exactly what you'll get.

I think this idea that people have that next year's free agency is going to be some kind of deep pool of talent is off base.

With no cap this year, guys with big contracts that teams feel are not players that will play to that contract will be cut or traded, if possible.

The guys that teams want to keep will probably stay put when a new agreement is in place, because teams are going to have tons of money under the cap to keep those guys.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think this idea that people have that next year's free agency is going to be some kind of deep pool of talent is off base.

With no cap this year, guys with big contracts that teams feel are not players that will play to that contract will be cut or traded, if possible.

The guys that teams want to keep will probably stay put when a new agreement is in place, because teams are going to have tons of money under the cap to keep those guys.

Well, assuming there's no CBA. I think a lot of players got RFA tags from teams who didn't want to commit to them long-term. Sproles and Wilfork immediately come to mind. I don't think we'll ever see a free agency period like we did 10 years ago ever again. But it will be significantly deeper than last year, especially if we install a new cap.