Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It doesn't take 5 years to rebuild a football team, no matter how poor it is.

Pioli and Jim Schwartz started their rebuilding process at the same time.

From the looks of it, Schwartz is well ahead of Pioli - though no one will admit it because of Detroit's history.

No one wants to admit that a franchise like Detroit is doing a better job rebuilding than we are.

The difference is that Pioli isn't going to be happy until he's got HIS 53 guys in place.

It's a huge gamble, IMO, but it's one that Clark Hunt is obviously willing to take.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hey, I was on that bandwagon as well.

I'm just admitting that while the Chiefs did have serious needs along the offensive line, one year later, it doesn't seem like the Chiefs were passing up sure-fire Pro Bowlers in rounds 3-7.

Which also makes it likely the all of these defensive players available won't be sure-fire Pro Bowlers as well.

You can scout the shit out of these guys for 8 years, from high school to college and at the end of the day, be wrong about how they project to the NFL.

At the end of the day, regardless of how any of these guys pan out, the Chiefs didn't try.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

At the end of the day, regardless of how any of these guys pan out, the Chiefs didn't try.

With the exception of Colin Brown, you're right. But I don't think they could have set their "plan" in motion if they had taken more offensive lineman.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the reality.

I'm still shocked that they didn't address the center position this year but apparently, they feel they can count on Weigman for a full season.

I hope they're right...

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Admitting you were wrong is changing your opinion?

Yes, it is...That is kind of the definition...


If your opinion is that 'it is a mistake to draft X player' and then he does well and you change your opinion to 'that really was a good pick' or the facts prove themselves to differ from what your opinion was then your original opinion on the matter was wrong...

If you think 'it wont be dangerous to jump off of this bridge into the water' then you break your neck, your opinion turned out to be wrong.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Seems to me that whatever you hold an opinion on would have to become somewhat factual or generally accepted, or you wouldn't admit you were wrong.

At that point, it's no longer an opinion, is it?

You are making arguments that are opinions...like 'x player is a mistake' etc...that kind of opinion (or argument) can be debated...(Google some opinion papers)...It is called Logic 101

You aren't here saying 'I love the smell of roses after they are jammed into my boyfriend's asshole' which is the kind of opinion that is not arguable without knowing whether or not you are telling the truth.

You are confusing the former with the latter.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It doesn't take 5 years to rebuild a football team, no matter how poor it is.

Pioli and Jim Schwartz started their rebuilding process at the same time.

From the looks of it, Schwartz is well ahead of Pioli - though no one will admit it because of Detroit's history.

No one wants to admit that a franchise like Detroit is doing a better job rebuilding than we are.

As we all know, Pioli shit the bed in 2009. There's no excuse for that. That's the main reason we're behind Detroit. But the 2009 season is behind us now. Grill me if you want, but even though he shit the bed in 2009, I'm fine if we get it right every year going forward.

And I like the approach to the 2010 draft. It wasn't a panic reflex to make up for last year's mistakes. It wasn't a panic to fill needs. It was based on sticking to their board and picking guys at the right value. You may not like the pick, but pretty consistently everyone outside of KC seems to believe that very few of these guys were reaches.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think this idea that people have that next year's free agency is going to be some kind of deep pool of talent is off base.

With no cap this year, guys with big contracts that teams feel are not players that will play to that contract will be cut or traded, if possible.

The guys that teams want to keep will probably stay put when a new agreement is in place, because teams are going to have tons of money under the cap to keep those guys.

Well, assuming there's no CBA. I think a lot of players got RFA tags from teams who didn't want to commit to them long-term. Sproles and Wilfork immediately come to mind. I don't think we'll ever see a free agency period like we did 10 years ago ever again. But it will be significantly deeper than last year, especially if we install a new cap.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I don't think it will happen frequently, but two TE sets and 2 WR sets will happen enough that will make your idea of McCluster seeing 67% of snaps on downs 1-3 impossible.

As I said, I would ****ign love to be wrong, because he would pretty much have to be a rookie sensation for this to happen over 16 weeks..meaning that even with the 36th pick overall he was a hell of a pick. I would love that, I just think the odds are grim.

With the 36th pick of this particular draft, I'd be very surprised and upset if McCluster wasnt a gigantic contributor offensively to this team, especially watching DeSean Jackson, Maclin and Harvin contribute immediately to their respective teams.

If you're going to take a guy that high with so many needs elsewhere, if he doesn't contribute 50%, 55%, 60% or whatever of the time, you've made a mistake with that pick.

I think they took him there because that's what they expect.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Do you really look at me that way? Because I don't love what we did. If you do, that's fine, but it would surprise me.

I don't hate what we did the way I did on Friday and Saturday, and I'm not driving post after post about it because it's pointless IMO.

I guess silence is golden.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

With the exception of Colin Brown, you're right. But I don't think they could have set their "plan" in motion if they had taken more offensive lineman.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the reality.

I'm still shocked that they didn't address the center position this year but apparently, they feel they can count on Weigman for a full season.

I hope they're right...

I'm hoping they saw something in Daryl Harris when they started working him out at center that tells them he might have some potential to be the long term answer there with some work, and that's the reason they didn't address it.

I just can't fathom not addressing it with an aging Weigman and Niswanger as your only options.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I guess silence is golden.

Silence boy.

Children are mean't to be seen and not heard.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm hoping they saw something in Daryl Harris when they started working him out at center that tells them he might have some potential to be the long term answer there with some work, and that's the reason they didn't address it.

I just can't fathom not addressing it with an aging Weigman and Niswanger as your only options.

I'm with you.

I also can't believe that Harris isn't in their plans. He's shown too much in what little time he's played that he belongs.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

With the 36th pick of this particular draft, I'd be very surprised and upset if McCluster wasnt a gigantic contributor offensively to this team.....(snip)

If you're going to take a guy that high with so many needs elsewhere, if he doesn't contribute 50%, 55%, 60% or whatever of the time, you've made a mistake with that pick.

I added the bold and underline for drama LOL...

I agree 100% with you. I could not agree more....(Which I guess is redundant but what the heck!)

The 36th pick over all needs to be someone who contributes, alot. I think it was a poor pick, because I don't see that happening. You are giving me hope that I could be wrong though, and I would love, love LOVE to be wrong. There will be no way of knowing whether or not he was worth #36 for sure until later in the season for sure....to see what he contributes and how much he plays.

There is also the size factor which does play a role in durability in my mind..Will he be able to take a lot of punishment if he plays as much you and I want him to...Will he be able to take NFL hits and keep on ticking if he plays as much as you and I need him to, to justify his value at #36.

Again, this can't be known until later in his career, but I think there were better ways to go that were less of a risk..and less 'gimmicky.'

[ChiefsCountry]

If it was any team but Baltimore that took Kindle and Cody, I wouldn't be as pissed for passing on those guys. Newsome taking them means they are pretty darn good players. I love Berry and Asamoah picks. They are two future all-pros. Molkei is talented but he is Brodie Croyle of the Tight Ends. Million dollar talent, one dollar body. 5th round was solid. I love the OLB from Troy. It was a much metter draft but one that could have been better IMO. I love Arenas, but 2nd round was a little high for him. McCluster is a stud but I don't know for the Chiefs right now.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I added the bold and underline for drama LOL...

I agree 100% with you. I could not agree more....(Which I guess is redundant but what the heck!)

The 36th pick over all needs to be someone who contributes, alot. I think it was a poor pick, because I don't see that happening. You are giving me hope that I could be wrong though, and I would love, love LOVE to be wrong. There will be no way of knowing whether or not he was worth #36 for sure until later in the season for sure....to see what he contributes and how much he plays.

There is also the size factor which does play a role in durability in my mind..Will he be able to take a lot of punishment if he plays as much you and I want him to...Will he be able to take NFL hits and keep on ticking if he plays as much as you and I need him to, to justify his value at #36.

Again, this can't be known until later in his career, but I think there were better ways to go that were less of a risk..and less 'gimmicky.'

When it comes to projecting players from college to the NFL, you're going to be correct far more often than not if you project them to fail or not live up to expectations.

I hope that I'm not wrong in projecting him to be an immediate contributor. I'd have to think that Charlie Weis and Todd Haley had an enormous amount of input on this pick, especially since they passed over Golden Tate, so that gives me hope that he'll be a winning player.

Time will tell but I'm certainly not "down" on the selection.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

He wouldn't have lasted 10 more picks I know that. I am not trying to hijack this Chiefs thread and turn it into another Tebow thread, but I think Tebow will be in the HOF when all is said and done.