Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's amazing that the same 6-8 teams, who are drafting in the 20's and 30's almost every year are the best drafting teams.

Basically Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Indy draft really well each year.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Basically Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Indy draft really well each year.

It's true, which is interesting because I think they all have different draft philosophies. I think a lot of people like the Ravens because they seem to play the most of the traditional "board" that most NFL fans have. I think they really view things the way most of the hardcore draft fans here do.

Not that the Steelers don't, but I think they'll veer a little more off course, but seem to always take guys who were very productive. I feel like they'll take a very productive college player over someone who's a little more "hype" or who may have a question mark.

And the Colts just give everyone a big middle finger and pretty much do whatever they want. They don't play by anyone's board or analysis. But at this point they've done so well it's just gotten to the point nobody questions them anymore. Kind of a rare situation.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Basically Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Indy draft really well each year.

I think that Pittsburgh fans would disagree, considering the fact that their offensive line is in shambles, their ILB's have sucked ass for a while (and have been covered by their OLB's), they've taken receiver after receiver after receiver trying to fill a void and when they finally did, they traded him for a 5th.

This year, Pittsburgh took THREE ILB's and two offensive lineman. Urbik from last year has been awful.

As for Indy, Ugoh was a disaster. It's really difficult to say if Peyton Manning is the reason for their offensive success or not. I guarantee that if Garcon, Collier and company played for the Chiefs in 2009, their numbers wouldn't be even close to what they've been.

Baltimore wins the draft every year at this point in time, yet hasn't been to the Super Bowl since after the 1999 season.

Something's amiss with their evaluation process.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that Pittsburgh fans would disagree, considering the fact that their offensive line is in shambles, their ILB's have sucked ass for a while (and have been covered by their OLB's), they've taken receiver after receiver after receiver trying to fill a void and when they finally did, they traded him for a 5th.

This year, Pittsburgh took THREE ILB's and two offensive lineman. Urbik from last year has been awful.

As for Indy, Ugoh was a disaster. It's really difficult to say if Peyton Manning is the reason for their offensive success or not. I guarantee that if Garcon, Collier and company played for the Chiefs in 2009, their numbers wouldn't be even close to what they've been.

Baltimore wins the draft every year at this point in time, yet hasn't been to the Super Bowl since after the 1999 season.

Something's amiss with their evaluation process.

Pertaining to the point you made about Indy...

Yep. That's what I've said all along...

Peyton Manning makes everyone on the offense better...and it's simply an interchangeable offense as long as #18 is there...

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that Pittsburgh fans would disagree, considering the fact that their offensive line is in shambles, their ILB's have sucked ass for a while (and have been covered by their OLB's), they've taken receiver after receiver after receiver trying to fill a void and when they finally did, they traded him for a 5th.

This year, Pittsburgh took THREE ILB's and two offensive lineman. Urbik from last year has been awful.

As for Indy, Ugoh was a disaster. It's really difficult to say if Peyton Manning is the reason for their offensive success or not. I guarantee that if Garcon, Collier and company played for the Chiefs in 2009, their numbers wouldn't be even close to what they've been.

Baltimore wins the draft every year at this point in time, yet hasn't been to the Super Bowl since after the 1999 season.

Something's amiss with their evaluation process.

This is a solid post.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Baltimore wins the draft every year at this point in time, yet hasn't been to the Super Bowl since after the 1999 season.

Something's amiss with their evaluation process.

But you know exactly what's been missing there: QB. And they've also done a terrible job trying to acquire a legit #1 WR.

Mason is money for a ton of receptions--much appreciated in PPR leagues--but he's not a game changer.

With Boldin and, I believe, an ascending Flacco, Baltimore is going to be a really solid team.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

But you know exactly what's been missing there: QB. And they've also done a terrible job trying to acquire a legit #1 WR.

Mason is money for a ton of receptions--much appreciated in PPR leagues--but he's not a game changer.

With Boldin and, I believe, an ascending Flacco, Baltimore is going to be a really solid team.

Yes, I do know what's been missing.

But apparently, while they seem to win the draft each year, their QB evaluation has been the only roadblock to the Super Bowl.

Regardless of why they haven't been to the Super Bowl, they haven't been to the Super Bowl.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that Pittsburgh fans would disagree, considering the fact that their offensive line is in shambles, their ILB's have sucked ass for a while (and have been covered by their OLB's), they've taken receiver after receiver after receiver trying to fill a void and when they finally did, they traded him for a 5th.

This year, Pittsburgh took THREE ILB's and two offensive lineman. Urbik from last year has been awful.

As for Indy, Ugoh was a disaster. It's really difficult to say if Peyton Manning is the reason for their offensive success or not. I guarantee that if Garcon, Collier and company played for the Chiefs in 2009, their numbers wouldn't be even close to what they've been.

Baltimore wins the draft every year at this point in time, yet hasn't been to the Super Bowl since after the 1999 season.

Something's amiss with their evaluation process.

You act as if there aren't 31 other teams trying to get to the SB as well.

You really want to use SB appearances as a knock on their drafting?

I'll remember that when we don't make the playoffs, much less the SB under Scott Pioli.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You act as if there aren't 31 other teams trying to get to the SB as well.

Dude, I respect you but this comment is way out of bounds. Out of respect to you, I'm not going to address it.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You really want to use SB appearances as a knock on their drafting?

As Joey Porter (or some Miami Dolphin said last summer) about the Jets: "Hey man, they're the offseason Champs!"

It really doesn't matter how well you supposedly draft if the end result, especially after more than a decade of "winning" drafts, you have nothing to show for it.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'll remember that when we don't make the playoffs, much less the SB under Scott Pioli.

Now that's just your ego showing.

No one is suggesting that the Chiefs are a playoff team in 2011, let alone, 2010.

This team has a long, long way to go before they're consistently competing in the playoffs, regardless of whether or not Pioli's the GM or not.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No one is suggesting that the Chiefs are a playoff team in 2011, let alone, 2010.

This team has a long, long way to go before they're consistently competing in the playoffs, regardless of whether or not Pioli's the GM or not.

Funny, I specifically recall you being in the group of people that expected a playoff caliber team by the 3rd year.

That group generally was expecting 4-12, 8-8, then a playoff run.

If you're backing down from that, fine. But make sure you explain why you're doing so.

My guess is because Scott Pioli hasn't done his job to the level he was expected.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Funny, I specifically recall you being in the group of people that expected a playoff caliber team by the 3rd year.

That group generally was expecting 4-12, 8-8, then a playoff run.

If you're backing down from that, fine. But make sure you explain why you're doing so.

My guess is because Scott Pioli hasn't done his job to the level he was expected.

No, I explained here, just in case you missed it:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think I have this whole thing figured out.

I had no idea what Pioli was doing last year. He drafted guys for the 3-4 and brought in 40 players off the street that were mostly familiar with the "system", their way of doing things. I didn't agree with it, but I'm beginning to understand their philosophy.

First and foremost, they're looking for leaders, smart instinctive football players and guys that will be at the core of this team for a decade. Guys that will be willing to take a little less when free agency comes around, just to be part of the "system" that will be in place. I think this draft solidifies this notion.

I also believe that Pioli knows he can't find playmakers in free agency, so he drafted playmakers this year. Berry, McClusters, Arenas and Moeaki all have the potential to be explosive, game changing playmakers. Asamoah could be a 10 year starter, maybe longer. Lewis plays much faster on film than his 40 time indicates because he's got natural football instincts, same with Sheffield.

I think the Chiefs passed on fat**** Cody and broke Kindle (along with a few other defensive players) because they honestly believe that Jackson, Magee, Dorsey, Mays, Belcher and Studebaker make a big leap from year one in their defense to year two. Personally, I don't disagree.

I also think that it will be much easier for them to grab an NT and a few linebackers at cutdown than for them to find a dynamic WR/RB, CB/Returner and a TE in the mold of Dallas Clark.

What's become extremely clear is that Pioli has five full years in which to build this franchise in his image and that he's under no pressure to win now. With that being the case, he's going to build it exactly as he sees fit, regardless of what anyone else thinks or believes.

Only time will tell if he's successful or not, but I for one am in no way, shape or form, disappointed with this draft because he got playmakers and instinctual, productive football players that will help this team for a long time.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I explained here, just in case you missed it:

Yeah, that's what you posted this weekend.

Did you, or did you not expect a playoff run by Year Three when Pioli was hired?

I'll gladly apologize if I'm wrong, but I recall you sharing a similar opinion to Me, Deez, Flopnuts, etc.