Chiefs What makes Eric Berry a better prospect than Earl Thomas - Page 2

DallasChief · 04-25-2010, 08:49 PM

For all those here who watched both play- why is Eric Berry the better pick? From a production stand point it looks as if Thomas had 4 times more INTs than Berry last season.

I'm not bashing the pick at all but since I don't follow college football I'm interested.

Ebolapox · 04-25-2010, 08:56 PM

yeah, swiperboy said it all.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-25-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Physical attributes, leadership ability/intangibles and respective roles in the defense.

Thomas was allowed to play a pure CF and ball-hawk. Berry was asked to do quite a bit more for the Vols. He essentially doubled as a linebacker for the squad in run-support.

Berry has a far better football frame. He's built thicker and he's been far less injury-prone. Thomas is a fairly slight guy for someone that's intended to be a safety in the NFL. I can't see him avoiding missing a handful of games every year with the physical toll that safety takes on the body.

Thomas has had some work ethic worries whereas Berry has one of the best makeups in the draft. And there's the Longhorn factor.

Nice breakdown, +rep

RustShack · 04-25-2010, 09:00 PM

Its kinda funny how much pawnmower is obsessed with rep and neg reping people.

teedubya · 04-25-2010, 09:02 PM

I'd like to see a video with this song singing "Hallie Berry. Hallie Beeeeery"

DallasChief · 04-25-2010, 09:02 PM

Thanks for the info. I was just wondering when I heard all the hype and checked the stats I thought I would see more than just 2 ints for last season but I guess that's because he was used so much in run support.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-25-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Its kinda funny how much pawnmower is obsessed with rep and neg reping people.

coming from someone who neg repped me...

LOL I haven't even neg repped you lately, even though you talk shit every chance you get...

Did you like the pic i made for you?

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2928/rustshack.jpg

if so please +rep...

The reason I +repped the last guy was I thought it was a great response...jealous?

DJ's left nut · 04-25-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Berry is more polished and slightly better in run support. He is also smarter and very high character, a natural leader. (not that Thomas is a thug, just haven't heard as much GOOD as I have regarding Berry)

That said, he isn't leaps and bounds better but he is better. They both should have very productive careers...

In this years draft, the dropoff after those two was massive.

Another point worth mentioning.

Thomas was by no means a bad prospect; in any other draft he's easily the first safety taken. But with the very real injury concerns and the fact that he is physically less projectable and doesn't have quite the work ethic/character strengths that Berry has, he was pretty clearly not quite as good a prospect as Berry.

I see Thomas as a Donte Whitner type whereas Eric Berry could be Ed Reed. Donte Whitner is a very good player and nearly any team would be lucky to have him, but Ed Reed is a superstar.

Ebolapox · 04-25-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Its kinda funny how much pawnmower is obsessed with rep and neg reping people.

what's really funny is that he loses rep every time he negs people: his carry almost no weight, the people who rep him back have heavier sticks. he shoots himself in the foot every time he negs somebody.

milkman · 04-25-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Physical attributes, leadership ability/intangibles and respective roles in the defense.

Thomas was allowed to play a pure CF and ball-hawk. Berry was asked to do quite a bit more for the Vols. He essentially doubled as a linebacker for the squad in run-support.

Berry has a far better football frame. He's built thicker and he's been far less injury-prone. Thomas is a fairly slight guy for someone that's intended to be a safety in the NFL. I can't see him avoiding missing a handful of games every year with the physical toll that safety takes on the body.

Thomas has had some work ethic worries whereas Berry has one of the best makeups in the draft. And there's the Longhorn factor.

Berry gives more versatility as well, can play both stron and free safety.

Nice breakdown, DJ

Chiefnj2 · 04-25-2010, 09:04 PM

If you compare their #'s for their first two years in college, they are very similar. Both guys are excellent ball hawks.

You can't look at Berry's INTs this year because Kiffen played him in the box and used him to support the run a lot more.

Berry is a little more physical and a better tackler in the open field. There were some reports saying Thomas wasn't good against the run, which I disagree with.

Thomas is a little less experienced than Berry.

IMO, both were top 10 talents in the draft.

milkman · 04-25-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Yes, it is simpler for you to understand, moron.

Gotta say, though intended as an insult, it made me laugh.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-25-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

what's really funny is that he loses rep every time he negs people: his carry almost no weight, the people who rep him back have heavier sticks. he shoots himself in the foot every time he negs somebody.

I don't hardly neg rep anyone....

Really don't know how it works nor do I really care...I just +rep good stuff and neg rep bad stuff...

**RealSNR** · 04-25-2010, 09:06 PM

Berry learned Monte Kiffin's defense in one year flat, which required him to play as more of a box safety than a ball hawk over the downfield receiver routes. That's something he wasn't used to doing, but he still excelled at both learning the defense and DIRECTING it on the field as the season wore on. Look at Berry's previous two seasons and you'll catch the difference.

He's also bigger, faster, and has proven to be a solid football player his entire NCAA career. Earl Thomas really came on his senior year but was less of a sure thing.

That's my answer, at least. This IS a legitimate question, too. If you were to ask me something reeruned like comparing the impact of Dexter McCluster vs Toby Gerhart on the NFL, I would have told you to die in a fire.

milkman · 04-25-2010, 09:06 PM

People are far too obsessed with rep around here.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-25-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Gotta say, though intended as an insult, it made me laugh.

+rep!!

LOL thats what I was going for!

I try and get cheap laughs whenever I can...

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04-25-2010, 08:49 PM
DallasChief Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	What makes Eric Berry a better prospect than Earl Thomas For all those here who watched both play- why is Eric Berry the better pick? From a production stand point it looks as if Thomas had 4 times more INTs than Berry last season. I'm not bashing the pick at all but since I don't follow college football I'm interested.
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DallasChief Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Thanks for the info. I was just wondering when I heard all the hype and checked the stats I thought I would see more than just 2 ints for last season but I guess that's because he was used so much in run support.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	If you compare their #'s for their first two years in college, they are very similar. Both guys are excellent ball hawks. You can't look at Berry's INTs this year because Kiffen played him in the box and used him to support the run a lot more. Berry is a little more physical and a better tackler in the open field. There were some reports saying Thomas wasn't good against the run, which I disagree with. Thomas is a little less experienced than Berry. IMO, both were top 10 talents in the draft. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1524792	Berry learned Monte Kiffin's defense in one year flat, which required him to play as more of a box safety than a ball hawk over the downfield receiver routes. That's something he wasn't used to doing, but he still excelled at both learning the defense and DIRECTING it on the field as the season wore on. Look at Berry's previous two seasons and you'll catch the difference. He's also bigger, faster, and has proven to be a solid football player his entire NCAA career. Earl Thomas really came on his senior year but was less of a sure thing. That's my answer, at least. This IS a legitimate question, too. If you were to ask me something reeruned like comparing the impact of Dexter McCluster vs Toby Gerhart on the NFL, I would have told you to die in a fire.
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