Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I posted this in another thread, and it's not aimed at you (save to show you the number part) so please don't take any offense where none is intended, but your 1-3 year notion is out of touch with the reality of the NFL:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...18#post6712918

Hey, shut me down and I'll give you credit. I only get offended at cheap shots because I don't take them. In other words, we're good.

And I understand the Super Bowl argument. But I'm saying that a team should be competing in the playoffs by the 3rd year, not making the Super Bowl. I didn't clarify that, and I should have. 5 years for a title is fine. But I don't expect a team to make the playoffs for the first time in a rebuild and win the Super Bowl in the same year. That's a tough thing to do.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Hey, shut me down and I'll give you credit. I only get offended at cheap shots because I don't take them. In other words, we're good.

And I understand the Super Bowl argument. But I'm saying that a team should be competing in the playoffs by the 3rd year, not making the Super Bowl. I didn't clarify that, and I should have. 5 years for a title is fine. But I don't expect a team to make the playoffs for the first time in a rebuild and win the Super Bowl in the same year. That's a tough thing to do.

But again, go back and look at how few teams achieve the goal that you think is a "should". It almost never happens. When a team gets down to 1-3 wins, it's usually because they really, really suck and have little to no talent. Making it even more difficult, free agency doesn't produce the number of quality players it used to, because the huge jump in the salary cap made cap casualties essentially a thing of the past. Hell, it was even worse this year, with the CBA language limiting free agency even more than usual.

If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be looking for improvement this season, and not looking for hard win totals of any kind until next season. After all, your notion of the playoffs means that the Chiefs will have to get past some number of the following:

Chargers
Broncos
Patriots
Jets
Ravens
Steelers
Bengals

in order to get there. Out of those teams, do you really see any way that the Chiefs will so quickly overtake the talent on any of those rosters other than the Bengals, who were probably a fluke destined to miss the playoffs this year before Roethlisberger went clubbing?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

But again, go back and look at how few teams achieve the goal that you think is a "should". It almost never happens. When a team gets down to 1-3 wins, it's usually because they really, really suck and have little to no talent. Making it even more difficult, free agency doesn't produce the number of quality players it used to, because the huge jump in the salary cap made cap casualties essentially a thing of the past. Hell, it was even worse this year, with the CBA language limiting free agency even more than usual.

If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be looking for improvement this season, and not looking for hard win totals of any kind until next season. After all, your notion of the playoffs means that the Chiefs will have to get past some number of the following:

Chargers
Broncos
Patriots
Jets
Ravens
Steelers
Bengals

in order to get there. Out of those teams, do you really see any way that the Chiefs will so quickly overtake the talent on any of those rosters other than the Bengals, who were probably a fluke destined to miss the playoffs this year before Roethlisberger went clubbing?

Teams do. Look at Green Bay. Look at Atlanta last year. New Orleans was shit not too long ago. That wasn't a one year turn around ala GB, and ATL, but recent history says teams can turn it around and do it quickly.

Now, I'll give you that KC was much different from those teams, but that's why I gave them 3 instead of 1.

As always, just my opinion.