Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He apologized for mowing the lawn, dumbass. He wasn't conceding to you, you ****ing dolt.

All you've done is make excuses and claimed you've won the argument.

You're a delusional troll.

You claimed I backed away. I didn't. He left the thread. He apologized, needlessly, for that, in this thread.

Is there a bottom of just how low you go on the intelligence ladder?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Now, suddenly, you're downgrading to "playoffs", after you used to make fun of those who'd have been happy with 8-8 or first round of the playoffs. That should make you re-think your positions, but it probably won't.

I'm not suddenly anything. But common sense suggests a progression.

Dorsey was a rookie in 2008, and he was being completely misused. The entire defensive front was young as hell, but they were all day-one picks. There was absolutely legit. talent there. Pioli wanted to go in a different direction, and thus there is a big setback. Many saw this as a mistake.

Flowers and Carr are above average CBs, and Page and Pollard had demonstrated a hint of promise. LB was an obvious weakness.

On offense, Bowe was looking like an emerging star, and Albert had a very solid rookie year. Most of the more knowledgeable posters on this site hated LJ and were calling for Charles (and a host of others) to be getting far more carries.

Your outside perspective is, frankly, not very informed to the details of our team. This is understandable because my knowledge of the Bills, for example, is fairly shallow.

But the difference is that I'm not over at BillsPlanet preaching from the rooftops.

You seem like a thoughtful, intelligent poster, but you've overplayed your hand with the Pioli defense (which I know you'll claim it's not) and analysis of the Chiefs.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Personally, I think they're horseshit.

From Don Banks and Peter King at SI (both of whom I enjoy their normal insight) to douche****s like Walter or Scott Wright, they're a bunch of Mel Kiper wannabe's.

I've said for years that Walter is a ****ing dumbass and Scott Wright proved to me this year (because I went on his "supposed" chat), that he's as ****ing dumb as the granite countertops in which my laptop currently lies.

It's hilarious to me that guys like Mecca, with his absolutes, passive-aggressive bullshit and never-wrong attitude, treat these sites like the ****ing Dead Sea Scrolls.

You can put down your daddy's keyboard now.....Dane? No man it's written down in a draft bible somewhere...Dane?


PhilFree

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You claimed I backed away. I didn't. He left the thread. He apologized, needlessly, for that, in this thread.

Is there a bottom of just how low you go on the intelligence ladder?

Jesus, you're ignorant.

This has nothing to do with him mowing the lawn.

It has everything to do with you getting owned, an d having no rebuttal, so you resorted to the "quality poster" bullshit.

You couldn't debate your point because he tore your argument apart, so you resorted to a personal attack. You backed away from your argument.

You did, however, pick it back up later, and continued to get owned.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm not suddenly anything. But common sense suggests a progression.

Dorsey was a rookie in 2008, and he was being completely misused. The entire defensive front was young as hell, but they were all day-one picks. There was absolutely legit. talent there. Pioli wanted to go in a different direction, and thus there is a big setback. Many saw this as a mistake.

Flowers and Carr are above average CBs, and Page and Pollard had demonstrated a hint of promise. LB was an obvious weakness.

On offense, Bowe was looking like an emerging star, and Albert had a very solid rookie year. Most of the more knowledgeable posters on this site hated LJ and were calling for Charles (and a host of others) to be getting far more carries.

Your outside perspective is, frankly, not very informed to the details of our team. This is understandable because my knowledge of the Bills, for example, is fairly shallow.

But the difference is that I'm not over at BillsPlanet preaching from the rooftops.

You seem like a thoughtful, intelligent poster, but you've overplayed your hand with the Pioli defense (which I know you'll claim it's not) and analysis of the Chiefs.

Jesus.

If this were a prize fight, it would have been called rounds ago.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm not suddenly anything. But common sense suggests a progression.

Dorsey was a rookie in 2008, and he was being completely misused. The entire defensive front was young as hell, but they were all day-one picks. There was absolutely legit. talent there. Pioli wanted to go in a different direction, and thus there is a big setback. Many saw this as a mistake.

Changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 is not a mistake. It's a system change. AS for the legit aspect of that line... Hali? Tyler? McBride? Come on, now....

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Flowers and Carr are above average CBs, and Page and Pollard had demonstrated a hint of promise. LB was an obvious weakness.

Calling both Flowers and Carr above average is certainly questionable. Pollard needed to go, and much of this site understood that. If he succeeds elsewhere, that's good for him. He wasn't working out in Kansas City.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

On offense, Bowe was looking like an emerging star, and Albert had a very solid rookie year. Most of the more knowledgeable posters on this site hated LJ and were calling for Charles (and a host of others) to be getting far more carries.

So it's Pioli's fault that Bowe showed up overweight and then took proscribed drugs to lose the weight? It's the fault of Pioli and company that Bowe has problems catching the ball, and that wasn't an issue before Pioli arrived? As for Albert, I believe it was Milkman who addressed that in the past, so I'll leave that for him.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Your outside perspective is, frankly, not very informed to the details of our team. This is understandable because my knowledge of the Bills, for example, is fairly shallow.

It's funny, because I apparently knew enough to be pegging the team's win total at no more than 5, to talk about how the team would struggle because of the problem at NT, to want Pioli to get rid of LJ, etc...

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

But the difference is that I'm not over at BillsPlanet preaching from the rooftops.

When I first got here, I came and offered some opinion about how Pioli might run things, since he was coming from New England. Then the Cassel trade and the Sanchez pick in the draft happened, and a portion of you people lost your freakin' minds. I'm not preaching from the rooftops. I'm simply refuting some of the abject stupidity that Mecca, OTW, Hamas and company have been putting forth. I don't think Pioli is perfect, and I don't expect him to be. Some of you people have gotten to the point where you'd bitch if he shook twice after pissing, because you'd insist that 3 times was the magic number, and you'd insist the magic number was 2 if he shook it 3 times.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You seem like a thoughtful, intelligent poster, but you've overplayed your hand with the Pioli defense (which I know you'll claim it's not) and analysis of the Chiefs.

I claim it's not because it's not. Hell, from my position as a Patriots fan, it's better for my emotional well being if Pioli sucks ass, because that would make me more confident in the job that Belichick is doing since I could give him more credit for the past success. My interest in Pioli's moves is simply observational in nature. When I think he's screwed up I post it, and I'll continue to do so.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jesus, you're ignorant.

This has nothing to do with him mowing the lawn.

It has everything to do with you getting owned, an d having no rebuttal, so you resorted to the "quality poster" bullshit.

You couldn't debate your point because he tore your argument apart, so you resorted to a personal attack. You backed away from your argument.

You did, however, pick it back up later, and continued to get owned.

And you drop another step on that ladder.

I didn't get owned. I destroyed his argument by pointing out the statistical reality. He then fell back on a "2 wins" defense as if it was manufactured out of thin air when that was the Chiefs win total the year before Pioli's arrival. I even went to 3 wins afterwards, and that netted only one more team to his claim. 4 win seasons seem to be the general cutoff for contention in less than 4 years.

Face it, dipshit. Deez made a terrible argument.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

And you drop another step on that ladder.

You're an idiot AND you're wasting my time.

I took you off of ignore because, as could be easily predicted, you decided to drop in on draft weekend.

Seriously, nothing you say here matters.

No one gives a flying **** about you, your opinions - nothing.

You're a ****ing troll with absolute no good intentions, whatsoever.

So with that said, please stop posting. If not, go **** yourself with a dildo that has the image of Bill Belichick in the place you can shove it the furthest.

Au revoir, Douchetard.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're an idiot AND you're wasting my time.

I took you off of ignore because, as could be easily predicted, you decided to drop in on draft weekend.

Seriously, nothing you say here matters.

No one gives a flying **** about you, your opinions - nothing.

You're a ****ing troll with absolute no good intentions, whatsoever.

So with that said, please stop posting. If not, go **** yourself with a dildo that has the image of Bill Belichick in the place you can shove it the furthest.

Au revoir, Douchetard.

There's another county heard from.

Sorry, JPB. The votes from the voices in your head don't count.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're an idiot AND you're wasting my time.

I took you off of ignore because, as could be easily predicted, you decided to drop in on draft weekend.

Seriously, nothing you say here matters.

No one gives a flying **** about you, your opinions - nothing.

You're a ****ing troll with absolute no good intentions, whatsoever.

So with that said, please stop posting. If not, go **** yourself with a dildo that has the image of Bill Belichick in the place you can shove it the furthest.

Au revoir, Douchetard.

I'm hurt, really. Your opinion meant so much to me. On a positive note, at least you figured it out about the offensive linemen. You have yourself a great week now!

[Mecca]

I don't mind debating picks with other fans of the team but really the last thing anyone around here needs is JPB protecting Pioli like he's the baby Jesus, the act is old man.

[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Au revoir, Douchetard.

I like this saying.... thanks Dane.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't mind debating picks with other fans of the team but really the last thing anyone around here needs is JPB protecting Pioli like he's the baby Jesus, the act is old man.

You would certainly know about an act getting old.

[Mecca]

Isn't it bad enough that we have 1 Hootie running around without another one?

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Isn't it bad enough that we have 1 Hootie running around without another one?

Talk about 360. He was being pretty cool until the second round, then he went back to being a ratard.